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I too have stuck with Valvoline VR1, and I use the off the shelf 20W-50. It h=
as gone from a $2.99 a quart oil to $6.99 and that puts it within a few buck=
s of some of the dedicated stuff. I may reconsider this in the future and ab=
andon my admittedly too frequent oil dumping schedule.
With the off the shelf VR1 non-synthetic there was a year or so where they t=
ook the ZDDP out of it. Sales dropped the they figured out that they had aba=
ndoned their customers.=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Jack Wheeler via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
>=20
> I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication. When t=
he major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline VR1 Ra=
cing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amount (%) o=
f ZDDP changed or not. Valvoline advertises this oil as containing ZDDP and=
recommends it for flat tappet engines. Therefore, I have continued to use V=
alvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars. I also used this same oi=
l in my race car for 24 years and have never had an oil related failure in e=
ither the race car or my street cars. My comments apply to break in oils as=
well as normal running oil. I just use a lighter weight for breaking in a s=
treet engine. No break-in required on race engines.
>=20
> Jack
>=20
> From: Brian Schirano via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Bill Dentinger <BillDentin@aol.com>; Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton5=
4@gmail.com>=20
> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" <t>=20
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
>=20
> Interesting, I was recently getting opinions on Rotella locally, as I've h=
eard from a couple of guys they run it in this and that HP motors on a regul=
ar basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I sent a note to Shell and th=
ey say =E2=80=9CT6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 parts per million of ZDDP=E2=
=80=9D. This is about the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local de=
tractor said it has too much detergent in his opinion.
>=20
> SOoooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand experience, bu=
t am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW the Rotella isn'=
t particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs most others are 5=
qt.
>=20
> Thanks
> Brian
> =20
> Brian Schirano
> 585-305-0349 Cell=20
> BSchirano@yahoo.com
>=20
>=20
>=20
> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> To: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>=20
> Cc: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil
>=20
> I don't have an ax to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse=
Shell Rotella as a race engine break-in oil. I always used it exclusively i=
n the diesel engine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in race engin=
es as well.
>=20
> Bill Dentinger
> =20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> > On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
> >=20
> > I am likewise a distrustful of Lucas oil. The gear lube display often s=
een on the counter at auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of t=
heir lube and they claim this makes it better than conventional gear lubrica=
nts, however, an experimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy web=
site revealed that the lube picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regu=
lar' gear lube. It makes me distrust their other products.
> >=20
> > I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam properly, and th=
en did break in miles with Rotella.
> >=20
> > Duncan
> > (Texas)
> >=20
> >> On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wrote:
> >> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubrication additives I have f=
ound end up in the pan and have the consistency of hard Jello. I called Luca=
s and they couldn't put me in contact with an engineer that could explain wh=
y their products do this.
> >>=20
> >> When I build an engine with a new cam and lifters I use Shell Rotella 1=
5w40 exclusively.
> >>=20
> >> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slimey stuff) with no i=
ssues however.
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >>> On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:
> >>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibbs in the pas=
t but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.
> >>>=20
> >>> Thanks
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I too have stuck with Valvoline VR1, a=
nd I use the off the shelf 20W-50. It has gone from a $2.99 a quart oil to $=
6.99 and that puts it within a few bucks of some of the dedicated stuff. I m=
ay reconsider this in the future and abandon my admittedly too frequent oil d=
umping schedule.</div><div><br></div><div>With the off the shelf VR1 non-syn=
thetic there was a year or so where they took the ZDDP out of it. Sales drop=
ped the they figured out that they had abandoned their customers. <br><=
br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 12, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Jack Wheel=
er via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#=
000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8275"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_866=
5">I have not followed all of this thread, so this may be duplication. =
When the major oil brands lowered the ZDDP content in their oils, Valvoline=
VR1 Racing Oil, continued to have ZDDP, but I am not sure whether the amoun=
t (%) of ZDDP changed or not. Valvoline advertises this oil as contain=
ing ZDDP and recommends it for flat tappet engines. Therefore, I have c=
ontinued to use Valvoline Racing Oil in all of my flat tappet cars. I a=
lso used this same oil in my race car for 24 years and have never had an oil=
related failure in either the race car or my street cars. My comments=
apply to break in oils as well as normal running oil. I just use a li=
ghter weight for breaking in a street engine. No break-in required on r=
ace engines.<br></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8711" dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><span></span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8712" d=
ir=3D"ltr"><span>Jack</span></div><br> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142883918200=
0_8263" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Aria=
l, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_142=
8839182000_8262" style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvet=
ica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id=3D"yui_3_1=
6_0_1_1428839182000_8261" dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yui_3_16=
_0_1_1428839182000_8264" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839182000_8939"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8938" style=3D"font=
-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Brian Schirano via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br> <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
28839182000_8941"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8940" style=3D"font=
-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Bill Dentinger <<a href=3D"mailto:BillDent=
in@aol.com">BillDentin@aol.com</a>>; Duncan Charlton <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>> <br><b><s=
pan style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox=
.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>" <t> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-wei=
ght: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 12, 2015 8:00 AM<br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<b=
r> </font> </div> <div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8265" class=3D"y_msg=
_container"><br><div id=3D"yiv5785882265"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182=
000_8267"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1428839182000_8266" style=3D"color:#000;ba=
ckground-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Ar=
ial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265"=
id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><span class=
=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10023" styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Interesting, I was recently getting=
opinions on
Rotella locally, as I've heard from a couple of guys they run it in this and=
that HP motors on a regular basis (non Vintage guys), not just breakin. I se=
nt a note to Shell and
they say =E2=80=9CT</span><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9587" style=3D"">6 5W-40 has approximately 1280 pa=
rts per
million of ZDDP</span>=E2=80=9D. This is about
the same as the Mobil One I run. That said a local detractor said it has too=
much detergent in his opinion.</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv57=
85882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10024" style=3D""><br clear=3D"none"></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9373">
</div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_142883923=
7283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_=
3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10030" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">S=
Ooooo =E2=80=93 that=E2=80=99s all I can say, no firsthand
experience, but am considering running it. I like the discussion, and BTW th=
e Rotella isn't particularly cheap, have to watch em, it's a 4 qt jug vs mos=
t others are 5 qt.</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv5785882=
265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265=
" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear=3D"none"></span></d=
iv><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_=
1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv5785882265" id=3D"yiv57858=
82265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10437" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-=
serif;">Thanks</span></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265" dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yi=
v5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_10031" style=3D""><span class=3D"yiv57=
85882265" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Brian</span></div><di=
v></div><div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9586"> </div=
><div class=3D"yiv5785882265signature" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_14288=
39237283_9374">Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 Cell <br c=
lear=3D"none"><a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com";>BSchirano@yahoo.com</a>=
</div><br clear=3D"none"> <div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_142883923728=
3_9378" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial=
, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_9377" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neu=
e, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir=3D=
"ltr" id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9376"> <div class=3D"qtd=
SeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yi=
v5785882265yqtfd03104"><hr id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_937=
5" size=3D"1"> <font id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9379" fa=
ce=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_99=
18"><span id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9917" style=3D"font-=
weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Bill Dentinger via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:=
fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b id=3D"y=
iv5785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9916"><span id=3D"yiv5785882265yui_3_=
16_0_1_1428839237283_9915" style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Duncan=
Charlton <<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com";>duncan.charlton=
54@gmail.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>Cc:</span></b> "<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a=
>" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br c=
lear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturda=
y, April 11, 2015 8:18 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:b=
old;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Lucas break in oil<br clear=3D"none"> </=
font> </div></div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766990522" id=3D"yiv5785882=
265yqtfd19714"> </div><div class=3D"yiv5785882265y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv5=
785882265yui_3_16_0_1_1428839237283_9689"><div class=3D"yiv5785882265yqt2766=
990522" id=3D"yiv5785882265yqtfd82223"><br clear=3D"none">I don't have an ax=
to grind with Lucas Oil products, but I sure do endorse Shell Rotella as a r=
ace engine break-in oil. I always used it exclusively in the diesel en=
gine in my tow vehicle, and we used it to break in race engines as well.<br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Bill Dentinger<br clear=3D"none"> <br=
clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my iPad<br clear=3D"none"><br c=
lear=3D"none">> On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Duncan Charlton via Fot <=
<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> I am likewise a distr=
ustful of Lucas oil. The gear lube display often seen on the counter a=
t auto parts stores demonstrates the climbing effect of their lube and they c=
laim this makes it better than conventional gear lubricants, however, an exp=
erimental demonstration posted on the bobistheoilguy website revealed that t=
he lube picked up a large mount of air compared to 'regular' gear lube. =
; It makes me distrust their other products.<br clear=3D"none">> <br clea=
r=3D"none">> I've used high quality assembly lube, broken in the cam prop=
erly, and then did break in miles with Rotella.<br clear=3D"none">> <br c=
lear=3D"none">> Duncan<br clear=3D"none">> (Texas)<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt; <br clear=3D"none">>> On 4/11/15 5:58 PM, Glenn Franco via Fot wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none">>> I don't subscribe to the Lucas aura. The lubr=
ication additives I have found end up in the pan and have the consistency of=
hard Jello. I called Lucas and they couldn't put me in contact with an engi=
neer that could explain why their products do this.<br clear=3D"none">>&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">>> When I build an engine with a new cam and lif=
ters I use Shell Rotella 15w40 exclusively.<br clear=3D"none">>> <br c=
lear=3D"none">>> I have used their (Lucas) assembly lube (sticky slime=
y stuff) with no issues however.<br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"non=
e">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> <br clea=
r=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>>&=
gt; On 4/11/2015 6:01 PM, Greg And Alison Blake via Fot wrote:<br clear=3D"n=
one">>>> Has anyone used the Lucas break in oil? I've used joe Gibb=
s in the past but the price advantage of the Lucas is about 3:1.<br clear=3D=
"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Thanks<br clear=3D"none"=
>>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>>=
; _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none">>>=
> <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
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><br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" shape=3D"rect" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/=
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