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Chris,
It might be instructive to measure input/output comparison temperatures =
over a range of, say, 160=CB=9AF to 212=CB=9AF. Everything I=E2=80=99ve =
read so far says that a 25=CB=9AF drop between inlet and outlet is =
pretty typical. If it=E2=80=99s dropping more than that, I would think =
that the coolant is spending more time in the radiator due to slow flow. =
I have read that the idea that the water is circulating too fast for an =
adequate temperature drop in the radiator has been discredited but I =
couldn=E2=80=99t find the source of that statement. It does make sense =
to me, however, that if the water flow is completely unrestricted some =
areas will be cooled more effectively than others as friction loss drags =
down flow in smaller passages in the engine as flow increases to the =
larger passages.
Checking the temperature at various places on the block and intake =
manifold could yield some useful information too.
I just remembered something as I was typing this. Some serpentine belt =
arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other direction on the BOP =
V8. there are various types of impeller, some with straight vanes, =
some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen both =E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=
=9D of curved vanes =E2=80=94 I wonder if your car ended up with one =
that is meant to turn the other way.
Duncan Charlton
Elgin, Texas USA
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Duncan,
> =20
> To answer your questions:
> 1- I measure about the same what is measured at the head outlet. =
The gauge is mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in boiling water =
and had read 210F. I think this is okay with being 200 meters above see =
level.
> 2- The radiator core is new and came in at year 2014. I=E2=80=99ve =
also measured over the whole core temperatures and they are very even. =
It is also clean from outside.
> 3- I do always my best to remove air.
> 4- With the fan blowing the temperature is creeping up more and =
more. Fan blows in the right direction
> =20
> The impeller of the waterpump has a metal plate so it should be =
independent of any distance to the housing.
> =20
> The car had these temperatures already when I drove it at Road =
America. So this is not a new thing on the car, I just want to cure it.
> =20
> Chri
> =C2=A0 <>
> Von: Duncan Charlton [mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com]=20
> Gesendet: Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 13:51
> An: MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>
> Cc: FOT List <fot@autox.team.net>
> Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR8 Water temperature
> =20
> Chris,
> =20
> 212F at idle? That=E2=80=99s interesting. I=E2=80=99ll start with =
the usual questions:=20
> =20
> 1) What is the temperature you recorded at the radiator inlet? =
(Having observed this, I assume you have already confirmed that the =
gauge is reading correctly.)
> =20
> 2) Is the radiator clean, inside and out?
> =20
> 3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble trapped in the =
system?
> =20
> 4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with the cooling fan =
blowing? If so, is the fan blowing the right direction?
> =20
> I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to the Rover motor =
you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph motors have =
found that the impeller of their new water pump is improperly placed on =
its shaft so that there is a large gap between the impeller and the =
housing, causing it to be very inefficient. One guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D=
end clearance, which he was able to reduce to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of =
a spacer.
> =20
> Duncan Charlton
> Elgin, Texas USA
> =20
> =20
> =20
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com =
>> =20
>> Hi guys,
>> =20
>> My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F at full speed and at idle =
the temps are getting that high also. I have no idea to get them down.
>> Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. I suppose that should be enough. =
I've experiment with different restrictor plates with no change. =
Changing pump speed didn't help either. The difference between radiator =
in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C (50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making =
the pump more slower? It was running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than =
crank, currently 1:1 speed. Any ideas? 10 Liters are circulating.
>> =20
>> Cheers
>> Chris
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">Chris,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">It might =
be instructive to measure input/output comparison temperatures over a =
range of, say, 160=CB=9AF to 212=CB=9AF. Everything I=E2=80=99ve =
read so far says that a 25=CB=9AF drop between inlet and outlet is =
pretty typical. If it=E2=80=99s dropping more than that, I would =
think that the coolant is spending more time in the radiator due to slow =
flow. I have read that the idea that the water is circulating too =
fast for an adequate temperature drop in the radiator has been =
discredited but I couldn=E2=80=99t find the source of that statement. =
It does make sense to me, however, that if the water flow is =
completely unrestricted some areas will be cooled more effectively than =
others as friction loss drags down flow in smaller passages in the =
engine as flow increases to the larger passages.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Checking the temperature at various =
places on the block and intake manifold could yield some useful =
information too.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I just remembered something as I was typing this. Some =
serpentine belt arrangements cause the water pump to turn the other =
direction on the BOP V8. there are various types of impeller, =
some with straight vanes, some with curved ones, and I=E2=80=99ve seen =
both =E2=80=9Cdirections=E2=80=9D of curved vanes =E2=80=94 I =
wonder if your car ended up with one that is meant to turn the other =
way.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">Duncan Charlton</div><div class=3D"">Elgin, Texas =
USA</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
</div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, MadMarx <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; =
class=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: =
0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Hi=
Duncan,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To answer your =
questions:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"">1-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I measure about the same what is measured at the =
head outlet. The gauge is mechanical and I=E2=80=99ve put the probe in =
boiling water and had read 210F. I think this is okay with being 200 =
meters above see level.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span class=3D"">2-<span style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">The radiator core is new and came in at year =
2014. I=E2=80=99ve also measured over the whole core temperatures and =
they are very even. It is also clean from outside.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">3-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">I do always my best to remove air.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt =
36pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">4-<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D""> <span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D"">With the fan blowing the temperature is creeping =
up more and more. Fan blows in the right direction<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The impeller of the =
waterpump has a metal plate so it should be independent of any distance =
to the housing.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The car had these temperatures already =
when I drove it at Road America. So this is not a new thing on the car, =
I just want to cure it.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Chri<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><a =
name=3D"_MailEndCompose" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></span></a></div><span =
class=3D""></span><div class=3D""><div style=3D"border-style: solid none =
none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; =
padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Von:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Duncan Charlton [<a =
href=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Gesendet:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Samstag, 9. Juli 2016 =
13:51<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">An:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>MadMarx <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; =
class=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>FOT =
List <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Betreff:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] TR8 Water =
temperature<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Chris,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">212F at idle? That=E2=80=99s interesting. I=E2=80=99=
ll start with the usual questions: <o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">1) What is the temperature you recorded =
at the radiator inlet? (Having observed this, I assume you have =
already confirmed that the gauge is reading correctly.)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">2) Is the radiator clean, inside and =
out?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">3) Have you confirmed that there is not an air bubble =
trapped in the system?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">4) Temperature at idle remains this high even with =
the cooling fan blowing? If so, is the fan blowing the right =
direction?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t know whether the following applies to =
the Rover motor you=E2=80=99ve got, but some Morgan owners with Triumph =
motors have found that the impeller of their new water pump is =
improperly placed on its shaft so that there is a large gap between the =
impeller and the housing, causing it to be very inefficient. One =
guy measured 0.075=E2=80=9D end clearance, which he was able to reduce =
to 0.015=E2=80=9D by use of a spacer.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""> <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">Duncan Charlton<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">Elgin, Texas USA<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div =
class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" =
class=3D"" type=3D"cite"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D"">On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:20 PM, MadMarx <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Hi =
guys,</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""> </span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My TR8 is running way too hot about 212F =
at full speed and at idle the temps are getting that high also. I have =
no idea to get them down.<br class=3D"">Radiator core is 68x48cm x 5 cm. =
I suppose that should be enough. I've experiment with different =
restrictor plates with no change. Changing pump speed didn't help =
either. The difference between radiator in and outlet is 10=C2=B0C =
(50F). Not enough I would say. Maybe making the pump more slower? It was =
running on a ratio of 0.8 slower than crank, currently 1:1 speed.<span =
class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Any ideas? 10 Liters are =
circulating.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
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