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Barry, when you are measuring TR pinion depth, where are you measuring from
and to? The TR3 manual only has the dimension from the front face of the
pinion to the center of the ring gear which would be impossible to measure
directly with the pinion gear installed.
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM barry rosenberg <britcars@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> There is a factory set of tools that one uses to measure pinion depth
> before taking a diff apart. Then you set the new pinion at the same depth
> plus or minus the number on the gear.
>
> Barry
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *To:* Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> *Cc:* Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
>
> The "92" is the "matched set" number and should correspond with the set
> number on the ring gear. The other number is the difference in pinion
> shimming from the "normal". Haha, what is normal?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Ok guys and gals.
>
> Here is a pic of the new pinion head. What do I do with the number on the
> pinion head?
> [image: image1.jpeg]
> Thanks.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is running the VT=
R
> National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to head up the
> autocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in the Beandito,
> and sell tickets!
>
> Bob Kramer
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock from
> England. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A rac=
e
> car. I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in
> the box. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them unti=
l
> recently. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction
> gears available. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless).
> The 4:11 went in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked di=
ff
> and played with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those year=
s.
> If the diff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set up,
> unfortunately.
>
> Barry
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *To:* Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Cc:* fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 6:14 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
>
> Thanks guys for all the feedback.
>
> So far I have only put the car in the air and pulled the cover. There is
> ample evidence of excessive heat so something went wrong with my setup.
>
> I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some
> measurements on Sunday. Once I do, I=E2=80=99ll share my original setup n=
otes and
> what I measure upon disassembly.
>
> On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it
> arrived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some
> of our domestic suppliers.
>
> This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little
> longer.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
> Looks like the pinion was way to deep.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> I doubt if a break-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as
> Marcel says, checking the temperature of the diff could have stopped the
> damage. The likely culprits are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but
> anything that heats the gears enough to cook the oil off the parts will
> kill the gears. I had a close call with one of the gear sets I use.
> Apparently I screwed up somewhere in checking fit=E2=80=94when I pulled t=
he rear
> end to assess the problem there was no backlash. I have a huge finned
> differential cover so checking temperature doesn=E2=80=99t help, but I co=
uld feel
> the car slowing quickly between shifts. Fortunately I wasn=E2=80=99t doin=
g my usual
> clutchless shifts and noticed the sudden deceleration every time I
> disengaged the clutch. The gear teeth were slightly blued and the oil
> smelled like a cesspool, but the gears were still usable once I did the
> setup properly.
>
> Bill
>
> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----
> > Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
> > Aan: "Greg Blake" <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
> >
> > I think it is good measure to check the heat of the differential casing
> after a few laps when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : whe=
n
> the casing gets very hot, something is wrong : or the parts are bad or th=
ey
> are mounted not correctly
> > There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgot about the
> names. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler than some
> of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you notice t=
he
> smell during the first laps?
> > Marcel
> >
> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> > Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 03:25:39
> > Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
> >
> > I would love to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential
> gears. What has worked well for you in the past?
> >
> > Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand new 4.55
> gear set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 sessions on
> track. I did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the gear=
s
> and I am wondering if that is why they failed.
> >
> > I am interested in the lists experience with brand new or new old stock
> ring and pinion break in.
> >
> > Here is a pic of the failed set.
> >
> >
> >
> > [image/jpeg:image1.jpeg]
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Bar=
ry, when you are measuring TR pinion depth, where are you measuring from an=
d to?=C2=A0 The TR3 manual only has the dimension from the front face of th=
e pinion to the center of the ring gear which would be impossible to measur=
e directly with the pinion gear installed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0</div></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM b=
arry rosenberg <<a href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helv=
etica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div di=
r=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1536526013624_12402"><span id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685=
817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12401">There is a factory set of tools t=
hat one uses to measure pinion depth before taking a diff apart. Then you s=
et the new pinion at the same depth plus or minus the number on the gear.</=
span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039116858=
17yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12404"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D=
"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
36526013624_12407"><span>Barry</span></div><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513=
798m_-3544020503911685817qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35440=
20503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12406"><br><br></div><div cla=
ss=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yahoo_quoted" id=3D"m_1359=
472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12469"=
style=3D"display:block"> <div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helveti=
ca,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px" id=3D"m_13594720205695137=
98m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12468"> <div style=
=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,=
sans-serif;font-size:16px" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168581=
7yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12467"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_135947202=
0569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12466"> <fo=
nt size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight=
:bold">From:</span></b> John Styduhar via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br> <b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Greg Blake <<a href=3D"mailto:gbla=
ke58tr3@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> <br><b=
><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Triumph 'Friends of Tr=
iumph <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox=
.team.net</a>><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> =
Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:12 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">S=
ubject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in<br> </font=
> </div> <div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817y_msg_con=
tainer" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1536526013624_12473"><br><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168=
5817yiv0604855335"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yu=
i_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12472"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569=
513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12471"><div cla=
ss=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_default=
" style=3D"font-size:small">The "92" is the "matched set&quo=
t; number and should correspond with the set number on the ring gear.=C2=A0=
The other number is the difference in pinion shimming from the "norma=
l".=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Haha, what is normal?</div><div class=3D"m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_default" style=3D"font-si=
ze:small" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_=
1_1536526013624_12470"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br clear=3D"none"><d=
iv class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_q=
uote" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
36526013624_12476"><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168581=
7yiv0604855335yqt8106787341" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685=
817yiv0604855335yqt70545"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35=
44020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12475">On Sat, Sep 8, 2018=
at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m=
_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3=
544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12480"><div id=3D"m_13594=
72020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12479">=
Ok guys and gals.=C2=A0<div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039116858=
17yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12478"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=
=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013=
624_12487">Here is a pic of the new pinion head. What do I do with the numb=
er on the pinion head?=C2=A0</div><div><img id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3=
544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492D0E321B3-529F-409C-BF6=
0-3D743DEB9A62" alt=3D"image1.jpeg"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Thanks.=
=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12490"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=
=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-367131445099=
2527492AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div id=3D"m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12489"><br c=
lear=3D"none">On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">rkra=
mer56@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12496"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35=
44020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12495"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=
=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013=
624_12494">I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is runni=
ng the VTR National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to =
head up the autocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in =
the Beandito, and sell tickets!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513=
798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_extra" id=3D"m_1359472020569513=
798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12502"><br clear=
=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0=
604855335m_-3671314450992527492gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer=
</div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168581=
7yiv0604855335gmail_quote" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168581=
7yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12501">On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, bar=
ry rosenberg via Fot <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net<=
/a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"m_135947202056=
9513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" id=3D"m_135947202056951=
3798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12500"><div id=3D=
"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624=
_12499"><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetic=
a Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px" id=3D"m_135=
9472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12498=
"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-367=
1314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12427=
"><span id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36=
71314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_1242=
6">Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock fro=
m England. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A rac=
e car. I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in=
the box. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them until=
recently. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction g=
ears available. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless). The=
4:11 went in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked diff an=
d played with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those years. I=
f the diff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set up, unfort=
unately.</span></div><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817=
yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_=
1536326086781_12427"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div id=3D"m_135=
9472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_=
-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12427"><span>Barry</spa=
n></div><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855=
335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"m_13594=
72020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6=
928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12440"><br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039=
11685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yahoo_quot=
ed" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-367131=
4450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12446" s=
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6193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12441" size=3D"1"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> Greg Blake via Fot <<a rel=3D"nof=
ollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; id=3D"m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12509" targe=
t=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.ne=
t</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc:</span>=
</b> fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 7, 2018=
6:14 AM<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</s=
pan></b> Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in<br clear=3D"none"> =
</div> <div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855=
335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832y_msg_container" id=3D"m_135=
9472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_=
-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13039"><br clear=3D"non=
e"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36=
71314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712"><div id=3D"m_13594720=
20569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928=
659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13040">Thanks guys for all t=
he feedback.=C2=A0<div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv=
0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_153=
6326086781_13041"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798=
m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-692865941619314=
5832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13042">So far I have only put the car i=
n the air and pulled the cover. There is ample evidence of excessive heat s=
o something went wrong with my setup.=C2=A0</div><div id=3D"m_1359472020569=
513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-692865941=
6193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13043"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-367131=
4450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13044">I=
might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some measureme=
nts on Sunday. Once I do, I=E2=80=99ll share my original setup notes and wh=
at I measure upon disassembly.</div><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544=
020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui=
_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13045"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"m_1=
359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492=
m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13046">On a related n=
ote. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it arrived in Austi=
n today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some of our domestic s=
uppliers.=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>This new gear set w=
as supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little longer. =C2=A0</div><div i=
d=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_153652601=
3624_12515"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050=
3911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv86081=
38712AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=3D"m_135947202=
0569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-69286=
59416193145832yiv8608138712yqt3328800303" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354=
4020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yi=
v8608138712yqt60981"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Ri=
ck Parent via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot=
@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br cle=
ar=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" id=3D"m_1359=
472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12523"=
><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
36526013624_12522"><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-fami=
ly:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:13px" =
id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15365260=
13624_12521"><div id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv06048=
55335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1536237470748_10096"><span id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911=
685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv860813871=
2yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536237470748_10136">Looks like the pinion was way to de=
ep.</span></div> <div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817y=
iv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712qtdSep=
arateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"m_135947=
2020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-69=
28659416193145832yiv8608138712yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display:block" id=3D"m=
_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_1=
2520"> <div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Gran=
de,sans-serif;font-size:13px" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168=
5817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12519"> <div style=3D"font-family:Helve=
ticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:=
16px" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15=
36526013624_12518"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Th=
ursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" sha=
pe=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.=
team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div> <br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685=
817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712y_=
msg_container" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_=
ym19_1_1536526013624_12517"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"m_1359472020569513798m_-=
3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12516">I doubt if a brea=
k-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as Marcel says, checking t=
he temperature of the diff could have stopped the damage. The likely culpri=
ts are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but anything that heats the gears=
enough to cook the oil off the parts will kill the gears. I had a close ca=
ll with one of the gear sets I use. Apparently I screwed up somewhere in ch=
ecking fit=E2=80=94when I pulled the rear end to assess the problem there w=
as no backlash. I have a huge finned differential cover so checking tempera=
ture doesn=E2=80=99t help, but I could feel the car slowing quickly between=
shifts. Fortunately I wasn=E2=80=99t doing my usual clutchless shifts and =
noticed the sudden deceleration every time I disengaged the clutch. The gea=
r teeth were slightly blued and the oil smelled like a cesspool, but the ge=
ars were still usable once I did the setup properly. <br clear=3D"none"><br=
clear=3D"none">Bill<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none">> On Sep 5, 2=
018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> <br c=
lear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----=
<br clear=3D"none">> Van: "van mulders marcel" <<a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>><br clear=3D"none">> A=
an: "Greg Blake" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"m=
ailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com" target=3D"_blank">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>&=
gt;<br clear=3D"none">> Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59<br=
clear=3D"none">> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in<br=
clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> I think it is good measure to =
check the heat of the differential casing after a few laps when the pinion =
and crownwheel are freshly mounted : when the casing gets very hot, somethi=
ng is wrong : or the parts are bad or they are mounted not correctly<br cle=
ar=3D"none">> There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgo=
t about the names. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler=
than some of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you=
notice the smell during the first laps?<br clear=3D"none">> Marcel<br c=
lear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ---=
--<br clear=3D"none">> Van: "fot" <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">> Aan: "fot" <<a rel=3D"n=
ofollow" shape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none">> Verzonden: Woensdag 5 s=
eptember 2018 03:25:39<br clear=3D"none">> Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pi=
nion gear break in<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> I would l=
ove to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential gears. What =
has worked well for you in the past?=C2=A0 <br clear=3D"none">> <br clea=
r=3D"none">> Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand=
new 4.55 gear set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 session=
s on track. I did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the g=
ears and I am wondering if that is why they failed. <br clear=3D"none">>=
<br clear=3D"none">> I am interested in the lists experience with brand=
new or new old stock ring and pinion break in. <br clear=3D"none">> <br=
clear=3D"none">> Here is a pic of the failed set. <br clear=3D"none">&g=
t; <br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> =
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