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Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
From: gblake58tr3 at icloud.com (Greg Blake)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 10:09:16 -0500
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Thanks John. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 10:07 AM, John Styduhar <johnstydo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The "92" is the "matched set" number and should correspond with the set 
> number on the ring gear.  The other number is the difference in pinion 
> shimming from the "normal".    Haha, what is normal?
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Ok guys and gals. 
>> 
>> Here is a pic of the new pinion head. What do I do with the number on the 
>> pinion head? 
>> 
>> Thanks. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is running the VTR 
>>> National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to head up the 
>>> autocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in the Beandito, 
>>> and sell tickets! 
>>> 
>>> Bob Kramer
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <fot at 
>>>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>> Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock from 
>>>> England. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A race 
>>>> car. I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in 
>>>> the box. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them until 
>>>> recently. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction 
>>>> gears available. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless). 
>>>> The 4:11 went in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked 
>>>> diff and played with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those 
>>>> years. If the diff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set 
>>>> up, unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> Barry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Greg Blake via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> To: Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>>>> Cc: fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 6:14 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks guys for all the feedback. 
>>>> 
>>>> So far I have only put the car in the air and pulled the cover. There is 
>>>> ample evidence of excessive heat so something went wrong with my setup. 
>>>> 
>>>> I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some 
>>>> measurements on Sunday. Once I do, I?ll share my original setup notes and 
>>>> what I measure upon disassembly.
>>>> 
>>>> On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it 
>>>> arrived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some 
>>>> of our domestic suppliers. 
>>>> 
>>>> This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little 
>>>> longer.  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looks like the pinion was way to deep.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <fot at 
>>>>> autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I doubt if a break-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as 
>>>>> Marcel says, checking the temperature of the diff could have stopped the 
>>>>> damage. The likely culprits are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but 
>>>>> anything that heats the gears enough to cook the oil off the parts will 
>>>>> kill the gears. I had a close call with one of the gear sets I use. 
>>>>> Apparently I screwed up somewhere in checking fit?when I pulled the rear 
>>>>> end to assess the problem there was no backlash. I have a huge finned 
>>>>> differential cover so checking temperature doesn?t help, but I could feel 
>>>>> the car slowing quickly between shifts. Fortunately I wasn?t doing my 
>>>>> usual clutchless shifts and noticed the sudden deceleration every time I 
>>>>> disengaged the clutch. The gear teeth were slightly blued and the oil 
>>>>> smelled like a cesspool, but the gears were still usable once I did the 
>>>>> setup properly. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot at 
>>>>> > autox.team.net> wrote:
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----
>>>>> > Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel at telenet.be>
>>>>> > Aan: "Greg Blake" <gblake58tr3 at icloud.com>
>>>>> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59
>>>>> > Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I think it is good measure to check the heat of the differential casing 
>>>>> > after a few laps when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : 
>>>>> > when the casing gets very hot, something is wrong : or the parts are 
>>>>> > bad or they are mounted not correctly
>>>>> > There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgot about the 
>>>>> > names. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler than 
>>>>> > some of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you 
>>>>> > notice the smell during the first laps?
>>>>> > Marcel
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>>>>> > Van: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>> > Aan: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>>>>> > Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 03:25:39
>>>>> > Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I would love to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential 
>>>>> > gears. What has worked well for you in the past?  
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand new 4.55 
>>>>> > gear set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 sessions on 
>>>>> > track. I did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the 
>>>>> > gears and I am wondering if that is why they failed. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > I am interested in the lists experience with brand new or new old stock 
>>>>> > ring and pinion break in. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Here is a pic of the failed set. 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > [image/jpeg:image1.jpeg]
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > 
>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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