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My tool was made specifically for the big TRs like TR2 thru 6. All I have t=
o do is zero my dial gauge attached to the tool (dummy carrier) on a perfec=
tly flat surface to the face of the tool; place it in the saddles and rock =
it a little until I get the shortest distance to the dummy pinion top. Even=
with this tool, it can be difficult to get exact repeated measurements. It=
takes practice and a selection of shims. The correct size is not always av=
ailable. Then you use ingenuity to get it right. Sometimes a lathe helps!
Barry
From: Robert Lang <robertlangtr6@yahoo.com>
To: barry rosenberg <britcars@bellsouth.net>; John Styduhar <johnstydo@gma=
il.com>=20
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
=20
The factory pinion installation uses a dummy carrier that sits in the sadd=
les for the differential carrier. This tool holds a dial indicator that you=
use to measure the depth (which is referred to as "pinion head height") . =
The tools that you use for the common diffs have a fixed-length adapter for=
your dial indicator, but these are "too long" for big TRiumph diffs, so yo=
u have to improvise.
You can also use a home made tool to bolt onto the case using the saddles' =
bolts and a fixed size spacer and feeler gauges (ala Len Reckenberger). The=
key here is that you need to get repeatable measurements to within .001 wh=
ich is tricky.
To your question, John,=C2=A0 you are measuring the distance from the cente=
r line of the axles to the face of the pinion. The number should be the rad=
ius of the inside curve of the ring gear (which is roughly 2.35 inches). Yo=
u do this measurement using the dummy carrier or the improvised tool and th=
en shim as needed.
I've done a few diffs and always find that adding or subtracting shims is n=
eeded to get the pattern exactly right after using the Reckenberger method.=
But at least you get in the ballpark!=20
I hope this helps.
Speaking gear sets, I used a 4.88 for a few seasons of autocross and found =
that first gear was useless and the top speed of just over 80 MPH was "limi=
ting" for the autocrosses in my region. I have that set on the shelf and sw=
itched to 4.33's which work awesome for hillclimbs, but still limit top spe=
eds which really matters on some hills (like Reading, PA). I'm talking 4 sp=
eeds and 23 inch slicks. For vintage road racing, I switched to taller tire=
s and I had to re-do all my gear calculations. That led to my current gear =
selection which is "all gear sets available", 3.45, 3.70, 4.10 and 4.33. I =
then gear for the track based on best guesses. So far, I've been guessing p=
retty well!
Regards,Bob Lang
On Monday, September 10, 2018, 7:08:31 AM EDT, John Styduhar via Fot <f=
ot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
Barry, when you are measuring TR pinion depth, where are you measuring fro=
m and to?=C2=A0 The TR3 manual only has the dimension from the front face o=
f the pinion to the center of the ring gear which would be impossible to me=
asure directly with the pinion gear installed.=C2=A0 =C2=A0
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 5:28 PM barry rosenberg <britcars@bellsouth.net> wro=
te:
There is a factory set of tools that one uses to measure pinion depth befor=
e taking a diff apart. Then you set the new pinion at the same depth plus o=
r minus the number on the gear.
Barry
From: John Styduhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>=20
Cc: Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
=20
The "92" is the "matched set" number and should correspond with the set num=
ber on the ring gear.=C2=A0 The other number is the difference in pinion sh=
imming from the "normal".=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Haha, what is normal?
On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wro=
te:
Ok guys and gals.=C2=A0
Here is a pic of the new pinion head. What do I do with the number on the p=
inion head?=C2=A0
Thanks.=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is running the VTR =
National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to head up the aut=
ocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in the Beandito, and s=
ell tickets!=C2=A0
Bob Kramer
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <fot@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock from Engla=
nd. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A race car. =
I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in the bo=
x. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them until recent=
ly. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction gears av=
ailable. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless). The 4:11 w=
ent in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked diff and playe=
d with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those years. If the d=
iff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set up, unfortunately=
.
Barry
From: Greg Blake via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
To: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in
=20
Thanks guys for all the feedback.=C2=A0
So far I have only put the car in the air and pulled the cover. There is am=
ple evidence of excessive heat so something went wrong with my setup.=C2=A0
I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take some measurem=
ents on Sunday. Once I do, I=E2=80=99ll share my original setup notes and w=
hat I measure upon disassembly.
On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from Rimmer on Monday and it ar=
rived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing. Way faster than some of =
our domestic suppliers.=C2=A0
This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully lasts a little longer.=
=C2=A0
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 6, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
Looks like the pinion was way to deep.=20
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <fot@autox.team.ne=
t> wrote:
=20
I doubt if a break-in procedure could have prevented failure, but as Marce=
l says, checking the temperature of the diff could have stopped the damage.=
The likely culprits are incorrect engagement or bad parts, but anything th=
at heats the gears enough to cook the oil off the parts will kill the gears=
. I had a close call with one of the gear sets I use. Apparently I screwed =
up somewhere in checking fit=E2=80=94when I pulled the rear end to assess t=
he problem there was no backlash. I have a huge finned differential cover s=
o checking temperature doesn=E2=80=99t help, but I could feel the car slowi=
ng quickly between shifts. Fortunately I wasn=E2=80=99t doing my usual clut=
chless shifts and noticed the sudden deceleration every time I disengaged t=
he clutch. The gear teeth were slightly blued and the oil smelled like a ce=
sspool, but the gears were still usable once I did the setup properly.=20
Bill
=20
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <fot@autox.team=
.net> wrote:
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> ----- Doorgestuurd bericht -----
> Van: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>
> Aan: "Greg Blake" <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 10:47:59
> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>=20
> I think it is good measure to check the heat of the differential casing a=
fter a few laps when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : when t=
he casing gets very hot, something is wrong : or the parts are bad or they =
are mounted not correctly
> There are at least 2 manufactures of the TR parts, I forgot about the nam=
es. As far as I know, used original parts are running cooler than some of t=
he aftermarked parts. How was the noise of the diff? Did you notice the sme=
ll during the first laps?
> Marcel
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> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Aan: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september 2018 03:25:39
> Onderwerp: [Fot] Crown and pinion gear break in
>=20
> I would love to here the FOT experience in breaking in new differential g=
ears. What has worked well for you in the past?=C2=A0=20
>=20
> Last weekend, I was running the TR3 at Hallett with a brand new 4.55 gear=
set and it failed. I probably got 30 laps total in 4 sessions on track. I =
did not think to follow any set break in procedure with the gears and I am =
wondering if that is why they failed.=20
>=20
> I am interested in the lists experience with brand new or new old stock r=
ing and pinion break in.=20
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> Here is a pic of the failed set.=20
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font=
-size:13px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6390">My tool was ma=
de specifically for the big TRs like TR2 thru 6. All I have to do is zero m=
y dial gauge attached to the tool (dummy carrier) on a perfectly flat surfa=
ce to the face of the tool; place it in the saddles and rock it a little un=
til I get the shortest distance to the dummy pinion top. Even with this too=
l, it can be difficult to get exact repeated measurements. It takes practic=
e and a selection of shims. The correct size is not always available. Then =
you use ingenuity to get it right. Sometimes a lathe helps!</div><div id=3D=
"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6458"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19=
_1_1536580961395_6464">Barry</div><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yui_3_=
16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6542"><br><br></div><div class=3D"yahoo_quoted" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6541" style=3D"display: block;"> <div=
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v style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lu=
cida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15365809=
61395_6539"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6538"> =
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6537"=
> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6543"> <b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Robert Lang <robertlangtr6@yaho=
o.com><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> barry ro=
senberg <britcars@bellsouth.net>; John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.c=
om> <br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Triumph 'Fr=
iends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, September 10, 2018 7:51 AM<br> <b><span=
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and =
pinion gear break in<br> </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6544"><br><div id=3D"yiv8332068412"><di=
v id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6548"><div style=3D"font-family:Hel=
vetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0=
_ym19_1_1536580961395_6547"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961=
395_6546"><div></div>
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6545">The factory pinion=
installation uses a dummy carrier that sits in the saddles for the differe=
ntial carrier. This tool holds a dial indicator that you use to measure the=
depth (which is referred to as "pinion head height") . The tools that you =
use for the common diffs have a fixed-length adapter for your dial indicato=
r, but these are "too long" for big TRiumph diffs, so you have to improvise=
.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6549"><br></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6550">You can also use a home made to=
ol to bolt onto the case using the saddles' bolts and a fixed size spacer a=
nd feeler gauges (ala Len Reckenberger). The key here is that you need to g=
et repeatable measurements to within .001 which is tricky.<br></div><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536580961395_6551"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_y=
m19_1_1536580961395_6552">To your question, John, you are measuring t=
he distance from the center line of the axles to the face of the pinion. Th=
e number should be the radius of the inside curve of the ring gear (which i=
s roughly 2.35 inches). You do this measurement using the dummy carrier or =
the improvised tool and then shim as needed.</div><div><br></div><div>I've =
done a few diffs and always find that adding or subtracting shims is needed=
to get the pattern exactly right after using the Reckenberger method. But =
at least you get in the ballpark! <br></div><div><br></div><div>I hope this=
helps.</div><div><br></div><div>Speaking gear sets, I used a 4.88 for a fe=
w seasons of autocross and found that first gear was useless and the top sp=
eed of just over 80 MPH was "limiting" for the autocrosses in my region. I =
have that set on the shelf and switched to 4.33's which work awesome for hi=
llclimbs, but still limit top speeds which really matters on some hills (li=
ke Reading, PA). I'm talking 4 speeds and 23 inch slicks. For vintage road =
racing, I switched to taller tires and I had to re-do all my gear calculati=
ons. That led to my current gear selection which is "all gear sets availabl=
e", 3.45, 3.70, 4.10 and 4.33. I then gear for the track based on best gues=
ses. So far, I've been guessing pretty well!<br></div><div><br></div><div>R=
egards,</div><div>Bob Lang<br></div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, September 10, 2018, 7:08:31 AM EDT, John Sty=
duhar via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
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<div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div c=
lass=3D"yiv8332068412gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">Barry, when =
you are measuring TR pinion depth, where are you measuring from and to?&nbs=
p; The TR3 manual only has the dimension from the front face of the pinion =
to the center of the ring gear which would be impossible to measure directl=
y with the pinion gear installed. </div></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
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arry rosenberg <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bri=
tcars@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.ne=
t">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquot=
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id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1536526013624_12401">There is a factory set of tools that one uses to =
measure pinion depth before taking a diff apart. Then you set the new pinio=
n at the same depth plus or minus the number on the gear.</span></div><div =
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iv class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yahoo_q=
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6"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> </font><hr size=3D"1"> <b><span style=
=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> John Styduhar via Fot <<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br cle=
ar=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Greg Blake=
<<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@iclou=
d.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com";>gblake58tr3=
@icloud.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>Cc:</span></b> Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b>=
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, September 9, 201=
8 5:12 PM<br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:<=
/span></b> Re: [Fot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in<br clear=3D"none">=
</div> <div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391168=
5817y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039=
11685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12473"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=
=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335">=
<div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12472"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947=
2020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12471"><=
div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv060=
4855335gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;">The "92" is the "matched s=
et" number and should correspond with the set number on the ring gear. =
; The other number is the difference in pinion shimming from the "normal".&=
nbsp; Haha, what is normal?</div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947=
2020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_default" id=3D"yiv833=
2068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526=
013624_12470" style=3D"font-size:small;"><br clear=3D"none"></div></div><br=
clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205=
03911685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720205695137=
98m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12476"><div class=
=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335yq=
t8106787341" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817=
yiv0604855335yqt70545"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720205695=
13798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12475">On Sat, S=
ep 8, 2018 at 12:33 AM Greg Blake via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailt=
o:fot@autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><blockquote class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050391=
1685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_=
-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12480" style=3D"margin:=
0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div id=3D"yiv8332=
068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15365260=
13624_12479">Ok guys and gals. <div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569=
513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12478"><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503=
911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12487">Here is a pic of the new pi=
nion head. What do I do with the number on the pinion head? </div><div=
><img id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604=
855335m_-3671314450992527492D0E321B3-529F-409C-BF60-3D743DEB9A62" alt=3D"im=
age1.jpeg" data-id=3D"42541bca-b027-a782-c55e-f56cc41c070c"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div>Thanks. </div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947202056951=
3798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12490"><br clear=
=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m=
_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492AppleMailSignature"=
>Sent from my iPhone</div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3=
544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12489"><br clear=3D"none"=
>On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:07 PM, Bob Kramer <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"re=
ct" ymailto=3D"mailto:rkramer56@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto=
:rkramer56@gmail.com">rkramer56@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">=
<br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720205695137=
98m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12496" type=3D"cite=
"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_=
16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12495"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359=
472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12494"=
>I have a 4.88 ring and pinion in a box. My Triumph club is running the VTR=
National near Austin next year and I've been volunteered to head up the au=
tocross. I think I'll build a diff with it and put it in the Beandito, and =
sell tickets! </div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_=
-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_extra" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720=
20569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12502"><br=
clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544=
020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492gmail_signature"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">Bob Kramer</div></div></div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35440=
20503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720205695=
13798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12501">On Fri, S=
ep 7, 2018 at 8:37 AM, barry rosenberg via Fot <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>></=
span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote class=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720=
20569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335gmail_quote" id=3D"yiv8332068=
412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15365260136=
24_12500" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex;"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817=
yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12499"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12498" style=
=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica,=
Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412=
m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527=
492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12427"><span id=3D=
"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36=
71314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_1242=
6">Wasn't this the new set of gears? If so, they were new old stock from En=
gland. They once belonged to Jim Ealy, who owned a black, 1966 TR4A race ca=
r. I bought his junk yard to get his race car and the gears were new in the=
box. I knew him since 1973 and he had the gears then. I had them until rec=
ently. I would not think that back then there were cheap reproduction gears=
available. He had 4:11, the 4:55 and 4:88 (great fun but useless). The 4:1=
1 went in the car when I sold it, the 4:88 were put in a locked diff and pl=
ayed with on the street; the 4:55 sat on a shelf for all those years. If th=
e diff still had fluid in it, then it has to be improper set up, unfortunat=
ely.</span></div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503=
911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12427"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div id=
=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_=
-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_1=
2427"><span>Barry</span></div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513=
798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-692865941619=
3145832qtdSeparateBR" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503=
911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_=
0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12440"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><=
div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv060=
4855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yiv8=
332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314=
450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12446" st=
yle=3D"display:block;"> <div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35=
44020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12445" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, =
Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"> <div id=3D"yi=
v8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36713=
14450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12444" =
style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucid=
a Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv8332068412=
m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527=
492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12443"> <font id=
=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_=
-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_1=
2442" size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> </font><hr id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-692865=
9416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_12441" size=3D"1"> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Greg Blake via Fot <<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-354402=
0503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12509" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;"=
>To:</span></b> Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailt=
o:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>=
fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b><span style=3D"font-weight=
:bold;">Cc:</span></b> fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, September 7, 2018 6:14 AM<br clea=
r=3D"none"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [F=
ot] Fwd: Crown and pinion gear break in<br clear=3D"none"> </div> <div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv060485533=
5m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv8332=
068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450=
992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13039"><br c=
lear=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911=
685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv860813871=
2"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv06=
04855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15363=
26086781_13040">Thanks guys for all the feedback. <div id=3D"yiv833206=
8412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-367131445099=
2527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13041"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-354402050=
3911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16=
_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13042">So far I have only put the car in the air an=
d pulled the cover. There is ample evidence of excessive heat so something =
went wrong with my setup. </div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947202056=
9513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-69286594=
16193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13043"><br clear=3D"none"></div>=
<div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv06048=
55335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15363260=
86781_13044">I might get the chance to pull it all out of the car and take =
some measurements on Sunday. Once I do, I=E2=80=99ll share my original setu=
p notes and what I measure upon disassembly.</div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m=
_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36713144509925274=
92m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536326086781_13045"><br clear=3D=
"none"></div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039116=
85817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1536326086781_13046">On a related note. I ordered a new gear set from =
Rimmer on Monday and it arrived in Austin today, standard shipping. Amazing=
. Way faster than some of our domestic suppliers. </div><div><br clear=
=3D"none"></div><div>This new gear set was supplied by Bastuck. Hopefully l=
asts a little longer. </div><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947202056951=
3798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12515"><br clear=
=3D"none"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35440205039116858=
17yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712App=
leMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359=
472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-=
6928659416193145832yiv8608138712yqt3328800303" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472=
020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-692=
8659416193145832yiv8608138712yqt60981"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Sep 6, 20=
18, at 7:41 AM, Rick Parent via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" =
ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@=
autox.team.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none"></div><blockquote id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-35=
44020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12523" type=3D"cite"><div =
id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym=
19_1_1536526013624_12522"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3=
544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12521" style=3D"color:#00=
0;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucid=
a Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720205=
69513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659=
416193145832yiv8608138712yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536237470748_10096"><span id=3D=
"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-36=
71314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_15362=
37470748_10136">Looks like the pinion was way to deep.</span></div> <div cl=
ass=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv060485533=
5m_-3671314450992527492m_-6928659416193145832yiv8608138712qtdSeparateBR"><b=
r clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359=
472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-=
6928659416193145832yiv8608138712yahoo_quoted" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_13594720=
20569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12520" sty=
le=3D"display:block;"> <div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544=
020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12519" style=3D"font-family:=
Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px;=
"> <div id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3=
_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12518" style=3D"font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helve=
tica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Thursday, September 6, 2=
018 6:38 AM, Bill via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div> <b=
r clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv8332068412m_135947202=
0569513798m_-3544020503911685817yiv0604855335m_-3671314450992527492m_-69286=
59416193145832yiv8608138712y_msg_container" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020=
569513798m_-3544020503911685817yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12517"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv8332068412m_1359472020569513798m_-3544020503911685817y=
ui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1536526013624_12516">I doubt if a break-in procedure could=
have prevented failure, but as Marcel says, checking the temperature of th=
e diff could have stopped the damage. The likely culprits are incorrect eng=
agement or bad parts, but anything that heats the gears enough to cook the =
oil off the parts will kill the gears. I had a close call with one of the g=
ear sets I use. Apparently I screwed up somewhere in checking fit=E2=80=94w=
hen I pulled the rear end to assess the problem there was no backlash. I ha=
ve a huge finned differential cover so checking temperature doesn=E2=80=99t=
help, but I could feel the car slowing quickly between shifts. Fortunately=
I wasn=E2=80=99t doing my usual clutchless shifts and noticed the sudden d=
eceleration every time I disengaged the clutch. The gear teeth were slightl=
y blued and the oil smelled like a cesspool, but the gears were still usabl=
e once I did the setup properly. <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Bill=
<br clear=3D"none"> <br clear=3D"none">> On Sep 5, 2018, at 1:48 AM, van=
.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.t=
eam.net">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=
=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> ----- Doorge=
stuurd bericht -----<br clear=3D"none">> Van: "van mulders marcel" <<=
a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@tele=
net.be" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van=
.mulders.marcel@telenet.be</a>><br clear=3D"none">> Aan: "Greg Blake"=
<<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@iclou=
d.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com";>gblake58tr3=
@icloud.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">> Verzonden: Woensdag 5 september =
2018 10:47:59<br clear=3D"none">> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Crown and pinion =
gear break in<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> I think it is =
good measure to check the heat of the differential casing after a few laps =
when the pinion and crownwheel are freshly mounted : when the casing gets v=
ery hot, something is wrong : or the parts are bad or they are mounted not =
correctly<br clear=3D"none">> There are at least 2 manufactures of the T=
R parts, I forgot about the names. As far as I know, used original parts ar=
e running cooler than some of the aftermarked parts. How was the noise of t=
he diff? Did you notice the smell during the first laps?<br clear=3D"none">=
> Marcel<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> ----- Oorspronke=
lijk bericht -----<br clear=3D"none">> Van: "fot" <<a rel=3D"nofollow=
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