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Jim,
on assembly _ I never have cleaned when assembled and in car, too many plac=
es for disaster to hide, solvent can get into bearings (they are porous to =
hold oil), get caught in passages and when assembled cannot get proper flow=
in areas to truly clean - have also seen cleaning engine with even the com=
mercial brand cleaners loosen up garabge and end up blocking the oil screen=
in severe cases=C2=A0
On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E9=E2=
=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E12=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E18=E2=80=8E:=
=E2=80=8E06=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray <toodamnfu=
nky@comcast.net> wrote: =20
=20
=20
Ralph,
Are you talking about cleaning on assembly or with an engine in the car ?
I=E2=80=99ve heard of folks flushing the entire engine =C2=A0with kerosene =
and even mineral spirits but I=E2=80=99ve just never been 100% confident I =
would get all of the=20
solvent out of the small oil passages and risk the possibility of contamina=
ting the fresh oil.
I=E2=80=99m always open to learning something new though.
jim
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
From: ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:38 AM
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Cc: 'fot' <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
I always clean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, in=
side the block, head etc - everything gets a double or triple clean/soak - =
rattle things around if possible, small brushes etc - even oil coolers that=
are not badly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking when not quite full of=
debris - the thinner helps release the particles from walls and tubes when=
shaken, do them numerous times until drained thinner shows ZERO particles =
- have never had a repeat failure from any debris floating around - have on=
ly lost 1 engine from bearing failure (RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 fro=
m piston failure (1147), 1 from pin failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor =
gear (RX7) in roughly 28 years
=C2=A0
Ralph
=C2=A0
On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E=
, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E19=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=
=8E17=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray via Fot <fot@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D.=20
I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and oil line=
s as I can within reason.
Ask yourself, how many quarts of=C2=A0 oil do your oil lines, cooler and su=
mp line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out
with a normal oil change?
Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil quality =
on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve
had better engine life.
=C2=A0
Jim
=C2=A0
From: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM
To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
When the engine is running, during a race,=C2=A0 a hot fluid with detergent=
s and other additives is flushing the=C2=A0 engine, oil cooler etc... namel=
y the engine oil!=C2=A0 Frankly,=C2=A0 I really wonder if flushing the engi=
ne by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated wi=
th combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oi=
l every now and then, but is it really possible to do anything better than =
that? I may very well be wrong, but=C2=A0 so far I don't=C2=A0 understand w=
hy it is necessary to flush the engine.
Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>, "fubog1" <fubog1@aol.com>, "fo=
t" <fot@autox.team.net>, bownes@web9.com, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4=
.com>
Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
Brian,
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the acc=
usump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the pressur=
e up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the piston is botto=
med.
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and conne=
ct it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the=
sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PS=
I and blow the oil back out into the pan while draining.
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to bo=
th ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo o=
il in the charger,
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out an=
y kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is w=
ith new VR-1,
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil =
cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oi=
l lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and bo=
th incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F f=
ender for easy access.
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hou=
r. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those things=
are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change.=
On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s g=
enerated.
jim
=C2=A0
From: Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>; bownes@we=
b9.com; rocky@spitfire4.com; JAMES GRAY <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flu=
sh the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and =
cleaned it, but a flush?
=C2=A0
26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oil=
s about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality.=
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system=
.
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter ele=
ment which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements are =
FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I can see=
how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after two w=
eekends. On each oil change I completely flush
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy r=
ecirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. =
I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no ke=
rosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil=
fill can with VR-1.
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler an=
d accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and it's r=
eady to go on the next engine start.
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as=
a result of the extra work.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=
=20
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race ca=
rs.
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cu=
tter.
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware =
off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the ele=
ment dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the e=
nds so that it lays flat.
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to se=
e any trash very clearly in the folds.
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg f=
ram...
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.
Glen=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----=20
From: robert bownes <bownes@web9.com>=20
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>=20
Cc: britcars <britcars@bellsouth.net>; fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; vfracing <v=
fracing@aol.com>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Ba=
ck in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine l=
asted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before =
the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=20
=C2=A0
But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)
=C2=A0
I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:=20
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make th=
e filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. A=
nd what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goe=
s back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on =
start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the=
engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oi=
l, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the che=
ck valve prevents it going the other way.
=C2=A0
And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush ou=
t the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse)=
, but buy a new cooler.
=C2=A0
--Rocky
=C2=A0
From: barry rosenberg via Fot
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the w=
ay the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top.=
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one=
line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with t=
he fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you mu=
st pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radi=
ator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water=
temp are to each other, the better.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Barry
=C2=A0
On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. =
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=C2=A0
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an=
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon sta=
nding a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler,=
and a second filter after the cooler.
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash ge=
tting in the engine.
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.
Glen
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < fot@autox.team.net>
-To: FOT < fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
=C2=A0
For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you r=
un the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter fi=
rst? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run =
their lines.=20
=C2=A0
Thanks=20
Bud=20
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ly:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">Jim,</div>=
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, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;">on assembly _ I never have cleaned whe=
n assembled and in car, too many places for disaster to hide, solvent can g=
et into bearings (they are porous to hold oil), get caught in passages and =
when assembled cannot get proper flow in areas to truly clean - have also s=
een cleaning engine with even the commercial brand cleaners loosen up garab=
ge and end up blocking the oil screen in severe cases </div><div class=
=3D"ydp1cba1b24yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helve=
tica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydp1cba1b2=
4yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, s=
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On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E=
=E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E12=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E=
18=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E06=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EPM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gra=
y <toodamnfunky@comcast.net> wrote:
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<div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680"><div><div class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807=
680MsoNormal">Ralph,</p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal">Are =
you talking about cleaning on assembly or with an engine in the car ?</p><p=
class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99ve heard of folks fl=
ushing the entire engine with kerosene and even mineral spirits but I=
=E2=80=99ve just never been 100% confident I would get all of the </p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal">solvent out of the small oil pass=
ages and risk the possibility of contaminating the fresh oil.</p><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal">I=E2=80=99m always open to learning =
something new though.</p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal">jim=
</p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"y=
dpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827=
807680MsoNormal"> </p><div class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680yqt285891=
0356" id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680yqt83131"><div><div style=3D"border-wid=
th: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225=
, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"y=
dpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> ralph hansen <quikrx@yaho=
o.com> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:38 AM=
<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; Jim Gray <t=
oodamnfunky@comcast.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> 'fot' <fot@auto=
x.team.net><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oi=
l filter first? also re filters</p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48=
27807680MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I always clean an engine with lots=
of lacquer thinner, all the passages, inside the block, head etc - everyth=
ing gets a double or triple clean/soak - rattle things around if possible, =
small brushes etc - even oil coolers that are not badly loaded with debris,=
plenty of shaking when not quite full of debris - the thinner helps releas=
e the particles from walls and tubes when shaken, do them numerous times un=
til drained thinner shows ZERO particles - have never had a repeat failure =
from any debris floating around - have only lost 1 engine from bearing fail=
ure (RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 from piston failure (1147), 1 from pi=
n failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor gear (RX7) in roughly 28 years</sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce1=
4yiv4827807680MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Ralph</span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780768=
0ydpecd0af86yahoo_quoted_4726026279"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48=
27807680MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=
=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=
=8E =E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E19=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E =E2=80=
=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.te=
am.net</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48278=
07680MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680y=
dpecd0af86yiv6869901830"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpe=
cd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I don=E2=
=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D. </span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323=
ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;">I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler a=
nd oil lines as I can within reason.</span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48=
27807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
">Ask yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler and =
sump line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out</span></p><=
p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">with a normal oil change?</span></p><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doi=
ng this my oil quality on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve</spa=
n></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">had better engine life.</span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807=
680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Jim=
</span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830mson=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p><div id=3D"ydpf32=
3ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830yqt20566"><div><div style=3D"bord=
er-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: c=
urrentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydp=
ecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:<=
/span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.=
marcel@telenet.be" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">van.mu=
lders.marcel@telenet.be</a> <<a href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telene=
t.be" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">van.mulders.marcel@=
telenet.be</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018=
6:25 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Jim Gray <<a href=3D"mailto:toodam=
nfunky@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">tooda=
mnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> fot <<a href=3D=
"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] O=
il Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters</span></p></div></div><p cla=
ss=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14y=
iv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">When the en=
gine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents and other=
additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engin=
e oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by yours=
elf is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with combusti=
on blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now=
and then, but is it really possible to do anything better than that? I may=
very well be wrong, but so far I don't understand why it is ne=
cessary to flush the engine.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yi=
v4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">Marcel.</span></p></div><div align=3D"center" class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4=
827807680MsoNormal" style=3D"text-align:center;"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;"></span><hr width=3D"100%" size=3D"2" align=3D"center"></div><div><p=
class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><b><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Van: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;">"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><=
b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, =
"fubog1" <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nof=
ollow" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.com</a>>, "fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bownes@web9.com</a>, "Rocky Entriken" <<=
a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzonden: </=
b>Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re:=
[Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters</span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf=
323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;">Brian,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p =
class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump wit=
h kerosene. I flush the accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines w=
ith kerosene</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p class=3D=
"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;">When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open =
and run the pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure =
the piston is bottomed.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p>=
<p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remov=
e the Schrader valve and connect it to the accusump completely fill the acc=
usump with oil, re connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back in an=
d run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the pan whil=
e draining.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p class=3D"=
ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;">Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connec=
t my flusher to both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I s=
till have cheapo oil in the charger,</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
"></span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that=
through the sump line just to chase out any kerosene and move to the oil c=
ooler and cooler lines. The last phase is with new VR-1,</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Fully charg=
e the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil cooler =
and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oil l=
ines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and both =
incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F fend=
er for easy access.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and f=
lush takes me about an hour. I could make things even easier with dry break=
fittings but those things are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just s=
pend the hour on a change. On a new engine everything will come apart and g=
et hand cleaned.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny d=
ebris out as it=E2=80=99s generated.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
"></span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">jim</span><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;"></span></p><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv68=
69901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-width: 1pt me=
dium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: currentColor; pad=
ding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv68699=
01830msonormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Brian Schirano <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano=
@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bschirano@yah=
oo.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 8:5=
7 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.c=
om" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.com</a>>=
;; fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a href=3D"m=
ailto:bownes@web9.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bo=
wnes@web9.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES GRAY <<a=
href=3D"mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Subj=
ect:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters</span><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpf323c=
e14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">would love to hear more on the flushi=
ng system. Particularly how do you flush the accusump? there is only one wa=
y in and out. I've taken it apart and cleaned it, but a flush?</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yi=
v4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><=
div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd=
0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Brian Schira=
no<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 Cell <br clear=3D"none"><a href=3D"m=
ailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></=
p></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686990=
1830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827=
807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayahoo_quot=
ed_4287730593"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv=
6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On Friday, December =
7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a>> wrote: </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780=
7680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yi=
v6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></=
div><div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b=
544ayiv1874404987"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Some years ago=
now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oils about viscos=
ity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality. After that co=
nversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system.</span><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"=
>I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filte=
r element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements=
are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I ca=
n see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after =
two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush</span><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">all my oil=
lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy recirculati=
ng flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. I'll run a=
few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no kerosene lef=
t. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil fill can =
with VR-1.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">This way I have all the old oil out and can refill =
the oil lines, cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize=
the accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">O=
verkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as =
a result of the extra work.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span>=
</p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></=
span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><p cla=
ss=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"m=
argin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On December 3, 2018=
at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrot=
e: </span></p><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686990=
1830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I routinely cut the spin-o=
n filters open for inspection, street and race cars.</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780768=
0ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">There=
's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cutter.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;">My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, s=
trip the hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then s=
tretch out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towel=
s and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0a=
f86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Leave it overn=
ight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to see any trash ve=
ry clearly in the folds.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830mso=
normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">You'll also be amazed at how litt=
le filter material is in some filters eg fram...</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydp=
ecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">NAPA Gold=
/WIX seem to be the best.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ms=
onormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Glen</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydp=
ecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686990=
1830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" st=
yle=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">-----Origin=
al Message----- <br clear=3D"none">From: robert bownes <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:bownes@web9.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bownes=
@web9.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none">To: Rocky Entriken <<a href=3D"mail=
to:rocky@spitfire4.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">r=
ocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Cc: britcars <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:britcars@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"r=
ect">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@ao=
l.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.com</a>=
>; vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" re=
l=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a href=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45=
pm <br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? <=
/span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv=
6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">After cleaning out a=
filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Back in the Day) and r=
e-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine lasted a whole 22 min=
utes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before the very same failur=
e occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since. </span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14=
yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;">But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)</span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830m=
sonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I miss that car. But not the grenades that it ke=
pt under the hood.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780768=
0ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> =
;</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv68=
69901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div></div><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p><div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48278=
07680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv17362=
21226yqt31919"><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv68699=
01830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:=
20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> w=
rote: </span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:=
5.0pt;"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86=
yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Any bad stuff in =
the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make the filter the firs=
t stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. And what nobody el=
se mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goes back to the eng=
ine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on start-up.) My Acc=
usump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=
=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes=
from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents=
it going the other way.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830mso=
normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydp=
ecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">And yeah,=
coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush out the lin=
es (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), but buy=
a new cooler.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yi=
v6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">--Rocky</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323=
ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div>=
<div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830=
msonormal" style=3D"background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; back=
ground-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; background-color: whitesm=
oke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></strong><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> barry rosenberg via Fot</span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=
=3D"background-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachmen=
t: scroll; background-size: auto; background-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sent:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;"> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"bac=
kground-image: none; background-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scro=
ll; background-size: auto; background-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">To:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;"> fubog1 ; Phil Gott</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv48278=
07680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"background-image: none; ba=
ckground-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: au=
to; background-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
">Cc:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <a href=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680y=
dpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"background-image: none; backgrou=
nd-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; ba=
ckground-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Subj=
ect:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler=
or Oil filter first?</span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323c=
e14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><=
/div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv68699=
01830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Yes, filter first. But what I have run int=
o on some customers cars is the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are =
mounted with the fittings on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain =
and when you change your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to r=
emove the cooler and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set=
your cooler a little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self dr=
ain. Of course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I a=
lso set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say =
that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better.</span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686990183=
0msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf32=
3ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;">Barry</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680=
ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> =
</span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686=
9901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_839556573390437=
8271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yi=
v4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < <a=
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shap=
e=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14y=
iv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd=
0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395=
565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482=
7807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"=
>Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean.=
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing. </sp=
an></p><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830mso=
normal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">W=
ith a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an =
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon stan=
ding a while. </span></p><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6=
869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904=
378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yi=
v4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">Sent from my iPhone</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780768=
0ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv173622122=
6m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=3D"yd=
pf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"><br clear=3D"none">On Dec 3=
, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>=
> wrote: </span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-b=
ottom:5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6=
869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I typically run an in=
spectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler, and a second filter =
after the cooler.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">It may be overkill but it eliminates the=
possibility of oil cooler trash getting in the engine.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827=
807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">=
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482780768=
0ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Glen<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"y=
dpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827=
807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">=
</span></p></div><div id=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686=
9901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298"><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482=
7807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"=
>-----Original Message----- <br clear=3D"none">From: Bud Rolofson via Fot &=
lt; <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">-</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">To: FOT < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>>=
<br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am <br clear=3D"none">Subje=
ct: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? </span></p><div><p class=3D"ydpf3=
23ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;">Listerati, </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv482=
7807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"=
> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af8=
6yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">For those of you=
running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you run the hose comi=
ng OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter first? Just wanted=
to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run their lines. </s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv686990=
1830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Thanks </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"yd=
pf323ce14yiv4827807680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.0pt;">Bud </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpf323ce14yiv4827807=
680ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">___=
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