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Ralph,
Are you talking about cleaning on assembly or with an engine in the car =
?
I=E2=80=99ve heard of folks flushing the entire engine with kerosene =
and even mineral spirits but I=E2=80=99ve just never been 100% confident =
I would get all of the=20
solvent out of the small oil passages and risk the possibility of =
contaminating the fresh oil.
I=E2=80=99m always open to learning something new though.
jim
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From: ralph hansen <quikrx@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:38 AM
To: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Cc: 'fot' <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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I always clean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, =
inside the block, head etc - everything gets a double or triple =
clean/soak - rattle things around if possible, small brushes etc - even =
oil coolers that are not badly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking =
when not quite full of debris - the thinner helps release the particles =
from walls and tubes when shaken, do them numerous times until drained =
thinner shows ZERO particles - have never had a repeat failure from any =
debris floating around - have only lost 1 engine from bearing failure =
(RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 from piston failure (1147), 1 from pin =
failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor gear (RX7) in roughly 28 years
=20
Ralph
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On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E19=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
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I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D.=20
I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and oil =
lines as I can within reason.
Ask yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler and sump =
line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out
with a normal oil change?
Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil =
quality on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve
had better engine life.
=20
Jim
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From: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be =
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM
>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=20
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When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents =
and other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely =
the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by =
yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with =
combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine =
oil every now and then, but is it really possible to do anything better =
than that? I may very well be wrong, but so far I don't understand why =
it is necessary to flush the engine.
Marcel.
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Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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Brian,
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the =
accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the =
pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the =
piston is bottomed.
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and =
connect it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re =
connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the =
pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the pan while =
draining.
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to =
both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have =
cheapo oil in the charger,
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out =
any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase =
is with new VR-1,
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the =
oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up =
all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline =
filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection right on =
top of the L/F fender for easy access.
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an =
hour. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those =
things are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on =
a change. On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand =
cleaned.
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as =
it=E2=80=99s generated.
jim
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Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
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would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you =
flush the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it =
apart and cleaned it, but a flush?
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26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=20
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On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot =
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Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn =
oils about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil =
quality. After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my =
oiling system.
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter =
element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter =
elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of =
racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is =
changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the =
handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt =
fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure =
there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with =
a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler =
and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and =
it's ready to go on the next engine start.
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer =
as a result of the extra work.
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On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net =
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race =
cars.
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing =
cutter.
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the =
hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch =
out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels =
and weight the ends so that it lays flat.
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to =
see any trash very clearly in the folds.
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters =
eg fram...
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.
Glen=20
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-----Original Message-----=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit =
(Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next =
engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race =
weekend, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a =
cooler since.=20
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But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)
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I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.
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On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < =
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make =
the filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the =
cooler. And what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler =
before it goes back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into =
cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee =
that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the =
Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusump =
goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going the =
other way.
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And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush =
out the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure =
rinse), but buy a new cooler.
=20
--Rocky
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From: barry rosenberg via Fot
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
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Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is =
the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings =
on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change =
your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler =
and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a =
little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of =
course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also =
set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say =
that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better.
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Barry
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On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < =
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Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to =
clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=20
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with =
an Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain =
upon standing a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot@autox.team.net =
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the =
cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash =
getting in the engine.
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.
Glen
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-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < fot@autox.team.net =
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
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For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do =
you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the =
filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a =
reason) most run their lines.=20
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class=3DMsoNormal>Ralph,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Are you =
talking about cleaning on assembly or with an engine in the car =
?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99ve heard of folks =
flushing the entire engine =C2=A0with kerosene and even mineral spirits =
but I=E2=80=99ve just never been 100% confident I would get all of the =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>solvent out of the small oil =
passages and risk the possibility of contaminating the fresh =
oil.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m always open to =
learning something new though.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> ralph hansen =
<quikrx@yahoo.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 10:38 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be; Jim Gray =
<toodamnfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> 'fot' =
<fot@autox.team.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or =
Oil filter first? also re filters<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>I always =
clean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, inside =
the block, head etc - everything gets a double or triple clean/soak - =
rattle things around if possible, small brushes etc - even oil coolers =
that are not badly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking when not quite =
full of debris - the thinner helps release the particles from walls and =
tubes when shaken, do them numerous times until drained thinner shows =
ZERO particles - have never had a repeat failure from any debris =
floating around - have only lost 1 engine from bearing failure (RX7), 1 =
from broken rod (22R), 1 from piston failure (1147), 1 from pin failure =
(22R), and 1 from broken rotor gear (RX7) in roughly 28 =
years<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ralph<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yahoo_quoted_4726026279"><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E19=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E =
=E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and =
oil lines as I can within reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Ask yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler =
and sump line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris =
out<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>with a normal oil change?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil =
quality on the average has been better and =
I=E2=80=99ve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>had better engine life.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830yqt20566><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in;border-color:currentColor currentColor'><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be";>van.mulders.marcel@telenet.=
be</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Gray <<a =
href=3D"mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net";>toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>>=
<br><b>Cc:</b> fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re =
filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with =
detergents and other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler =
etc... namely the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if =
flushing the engine by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine =
oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons =
to exchange the engine oil every now and then, but is it really possible =
to do anything better than that? I may very well be wrong, but so =
far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the =
engine.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Marcel.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div class=3DMsoNormal =
align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter></span></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Van: </span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Aan: </b>"Brian =
Schirano" <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, "fubog1" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>, =
"fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>, <a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>, =
"Rocky Entriken" <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>><br><b>Verzonden: =
</b>Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Oil =
Cooler or Oil filter first? also re =
filters<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Brian,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the =
accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with =
kerosene</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the =
pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the =
piston is bottomed.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and =
connect it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re =
connect the sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the =
pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out into the pan while =
draining.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher =
to both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have =
cheapo oil in the charger,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase =
out any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last =
phase is with new VR-1,</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill =
the oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I =
set up all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an =
inline filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection =
right on top of the L/F fender for easy access.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an =
hour. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those =
things are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on =
a change. On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand =
cleaned.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as =
it=E2=80=99s generated.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>jim</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid =
windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:currentColor =
currentColor'><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> Brian Schirano <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
December 7, 2018 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> fubog1 <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; =
fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>; =
<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES GRAY <<a =
href=3D"mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> =
Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do =
you flush the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it =
apart and cleaned it, but a flush?</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell <br><a =
href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayahoo_quoted_4287730593"><div><d=
iv><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987><div><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad =
Penn oils about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining =
oil quality. After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat =
my oiling system.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare =
filter element which I change out after every day of racing. The filter =
elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of =
racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is =
changed after two weekends. On each oil change I completely =
flush</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the =
handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt =
fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure =
there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with =
a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, =
cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the =
accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last =
longer as a result of the extra work.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and =
race cars.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big =
tubing cutter.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the =
hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch =
out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels =
and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able =
to see any trash very clearly in the folds.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some =
filters eg fram...</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Glen</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: robert bownes <<a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>> <br>To: Rocky Entriken <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br>Cc: britcars <<a =
href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>; =
vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 =
4:45 pm <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 =
Spit (Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the =
next engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race =
weekend, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a =
cooler since. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. =
:)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the =
hood.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv173=
6221226yqt31919><div><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so =
make the filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the =
cooler. And what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler =
before it goes back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into =
cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee =
that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the =
Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusump =
goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going the =
other way.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll =
flush out the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use =
high-pressure rinse), but buy a new cooler.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
>--Rocky</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke;background-size: =
auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>From:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> barry rosenberg via Fot<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke;background-size: =
auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Sent:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke;background-size: =
auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>To:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> fubog1 ; Phil Gott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke;background-size: =
auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Cc:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'background:whitesmoke;background-size: =
auto;background-attachment:scroll'><strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Subject:</span></strong><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter =
first?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'=
> </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is =
the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings =
on top. This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change =
your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler =
and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a =
little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of =
course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. I also =
set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts say =
that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the =
better.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv17=
36221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><di=
v><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < =
<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv17=
36221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to =
clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine =
refreshing. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine =
with an Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may =
drain upon standing a while. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv17=
36221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature">=
<p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv17=
36221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><br>On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the =
cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler =
trash getting in the engine.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Glen</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < <a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>-</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>To: FOT < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 =
2:51 am <br>Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Listerati, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do =
you run the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the =
filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a =
reason) most run their lines. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
A'>Bud <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830msonormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282=
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id=3Dydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt75592><div =
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