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Hallo Jim,=20
I forgot to add that the "onboard flushing system" has a very effective fil=
ter in it : it does collect all that debris and to get rid of it all you ha=
ve to do is exchange that filter.=20
But I don't like "yes" / "no" diskussions : as I am from Belgium*, I will l=
ose it anyway!=20
Kindest Regards,=20
Marcel=20
* see former mail=20
Van: "Jim Gray" <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>=20
Aan: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
Cc: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Verzonden: Zondag 9 december 2018 16:36:35=20
Onderwerp: RE: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D.=20
I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and oil line=
s as I can within reason.=20
Ask yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler and sump lin=
e carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out=20
with a normal oil change?=20
Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil quality =
on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve=20
had better engine life.=20
Jim=20
From: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM=20
To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>=20
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents and =
other additives is flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engine=
oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by yourself is any be=
tter. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, t=
his is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now and then, bu=
t is it really possible to do anything better than that? I may very well be=
wrong, but so far I don't understand why it is necessary to flush the engi=
ne.=20
Marcel.=20
Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Aan: "Brian Schirano" < [ mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com | bschirano@yahoo.com =
] >, "fubog1" < [ mailto:fubog1@aol.com | fubog1@aol.com ] >, "fot" < [ mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >, [ mailto:bownes@web9.com |=
bownes@web9.com ] , "Rocky Entriken" < [ mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com | rock=
y@spitfire4.com ] >=20
Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
Brian,=20
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the acc=
usump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene=20
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the pressur=
e up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the piston is botto=
med.=20
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and conne=
ct it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the=
sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PS=
I and blow the oil back out into the pan while draining.=20
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to bo=
th ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo o=
il in the charger,=20
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out an=
y kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is w=
ith new VR-1,=20
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil =
cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oi=
l lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and bo=
th incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F f=
ender for easy access.=20
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hou=
r. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those things=
are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change.=
On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.=20
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s g=
enerated.=20
jim=20
From: Brian Schirano < [ mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com | bschirano@yahoo.com ]=
>=20
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM=20
To: fubog1 < [ mailto:fubog1@aol.com | fubog1@aol.com ] >; fubog1 via Fot <=
[ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >; [ mailto:bownes@web9=
.com | bownes@web9.com ] ; [ mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com | rocky@spitfire4.c=
om ] ; JAMES GRAY < [ mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net | toodamnfunky@comcas=
t.net ] >=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters=20
would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flu=
sh the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and =
cleaned it, but a flush?=20
26A GT6+, 28 TR6=20
Brian Schirano=20
585-305-0349 Cell=20
[ mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com | BSchirano@yahoo.com ]=20
On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot < [ mailto=
:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oil=
s about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality.=
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system=
.=20
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter ele=
ment which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements are =
FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I can see=
how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after two w=
eekends. On each oil change I completely flush=20
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy r=
ecirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. =
I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no ke=
rosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil=
fill can with VR-1.=20
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler an=
d accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and it's r=
eady to go on the next engine start.=20
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as=
a result of the extra work.=20
On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net=
| fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race ca=
rs.=20
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cu=
tter.=20
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware =
off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the ele=
ment dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the e=
nds so that it lays flat.=20
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to se=
e any trash very clearly in the folds.=20
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg f=
ram...=20
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.=20
Glen=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: robert bownes < [ mailto:bownes@web9.com | bownes@web9.com ] >=20
To: Rocky Entriken < [ mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com | rocky@spitfire4.com ] >=
=20
Cc: britcars < [ mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net | britcars@bellsouth.net ] >=
; fubog1 < [ mailto:fubog1@aol.com | fubog1@aol.com ] >; vfracing < [ mailt=
o:vfracing@aol.com | vfracing@aol.com ] >; FOT < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Ba=
ck in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine l=
asted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before =
the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=20
But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)=20
I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.=20
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.=
team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
BQ_BEGIN
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make th=
e filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. A=
nd what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goe=
s back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on =
start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the=
engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oi=
l, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the che=
ck valve prevents it going the other way.=20
And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush ou=
t the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse)=
, but buy a new cooler.=20
--Rocky=20
From: barry rosenberg via Fot=20
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM=20
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott=20
Cc: [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ]=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the w=
ay the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top.=
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one=
line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with t=
he fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you mu=
st pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radi=
ator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water=
temp are to each other, the better.=20
Barry=20
On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < [ mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. =
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=20
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an=
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon sta=
nding a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone=20
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | =
fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20
BQ_BEGIN
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler,=
and a second filter after the cooler.=20
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash ge=
tting in the engine.=20
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.=20
Glen=20
-----Original Message-----=20
From: Bud Rolofson via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.n=
et ] >=20
- To: FOT < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you r=
un the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter fi=
rst? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run =
their lines.=20
Thanks=20
Bud=20
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--></style></div><div>Hallo Jim,</div><div>I forgot to add that the "onboar=
d flushing system" has a very effective filter in it : it does collect all =
that debris and to get rid of it all you have to do is exchange that filter=
.</div><div>But I don't like "yes" / "no" diskussions : as I am from =
Belgium*, I will lose it anyway!</div><div>Kindest Regards,</div><div>Marce=
l</div><div>* see former mail</div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__=
DIVIDER__"><div data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"Jim Gray" <tood=
amnfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Aan: </b>"van mulders marcel" <van.mulder=
s.marcel@telenet.be><br><b>Cc: </b>"fot" <fot@autox.team.net><br><=
b>Verzonden: </b>Zondag 9 december 2018 16:36:35<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>RE: [=
Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__"><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D. </p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal">I just try to get as many small particulates out of the=
cooler and oil lines as I can within reason.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ask=
yourself, how many quarts of oil do your oil lines, cooler and sump =
line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out</p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">with a normal oil change?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> Say what you=
want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil quality on the avera=
ge has been better and I=E2=80=99ve</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">had better en=
gine life.</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim</=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-to=
p:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
From:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be&g=
t; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Gray=
<toodamnfunky@comcast.net><br><b>Cc:</b> fot <fot@autox.team.net&=
gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re fi=
lters</p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif=
;color:black">When the engine is running, during a race, a hot fluid =
with detergents and other additives is flushing the engine, oil coole=
r etc... namely the engine oil! Frankly, I really wonder if flu=
shing the engine by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is c=
ontaminated with combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange=
the engine oil every now and then, but is it really possible to do anythin=
g better than that? I may very well be wrong, but so far I don't =
; understand why it is necessary to flush the engine.</span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana",sans-serif;color:black">Marcel.</span></p></div><div class=3D"M=
soNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><hr siz=
e=3D"2" width=3D"100%" align=3D"center" id=3D"zwchr"></span></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana",sans-serif;color:black">Van: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">"fot" <<=
a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</=
a>><br><b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schirano" <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yaho=
o.com" target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, "fubog1" <<a href=
=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.com</a>>, "fot" =
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.=
net</a>>, <a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank">bownes@we=
b9.com</a>, "Rocky Entriken" <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>><br><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 8 =
december 2018 18:13:14<br><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil fil=
ter first? also re filters</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;colo=
r:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
color:black">Brian,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack">I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush t=
he accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene</span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">When I dump the old oi=
l I leave the electric valve open and run the pressure up with the Schrader=
valve in the other end to insure the piston is bottomed.</span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I put the cheap oil in the oil =
charger, remove the Schrader valve and connect it to the accusump completel=
y fill the accusump with oil, re connect the sump line, put the Schrader va=
lve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out int=
o the pan while draining.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"c=
olor:black">Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my f=
lusher to both ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still h=
ave cheapo oil in the charger,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black">I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line jus=
t to chase out any kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. Th=
e last phase is with new VR-1,</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color:black">Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconn=
ect, re-fill the oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything &=
done. I set up all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines hav=
e an inline filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connection =
right on top of the L/F fender for easy access.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"color:black">It sounds like a pain but a full oil chan=
ge and flush takes me about an hour. I could make things even easier with d=
ry break fittings but those things are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99l=
l just spend the hour on a change. On a new engine everything will come apa=
rt and get hand cleaned.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"co=
lor:black">Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as=
it=E2=80=99s generated.</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"co=
lor:black">jim</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"=
> </span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1=
.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"co=
lor:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black"> Brian Schirano <=
<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">bschirano@yahoo.co=
m</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> f=
ubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@aol.co=
m</a>>; fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES GRAY <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a=
>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re =
filters</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"> </span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black=
">would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you f=
lush the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart an=
d cleaned it, but a flush?</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:=
"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"=
color:black"></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:bl=
ack">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:black">Brian Schirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell&nb=
sp;<br><a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">BSchirano@y=
ahoo.com</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Ti=
mes New Roman",serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:bl=
ack"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"> </s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp788b54=
4ayahoo_quoted_4287730593"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A=
">On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; wrote: </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><=
span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1=
874404987"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Some years ago now I had a conversation=
with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oils about viscosity and drove home the im=
portance of maintaining oil quality. After that conversation I went all out=
in the way I treat my oiling system.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p><p><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;co=
lor:#333333">I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a=
spare filter element which I change out after every day of racing. The fil=
ter elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of=
racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is ch=
anged after two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush</span><span=
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color=
:black"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">all my oil lines, oil cooler and my =
accusump with kerosene with the handy recirculating flusher I made from a 5=
gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil t=
hrough just to make sure there is no kerosene left. After that I recharge t=
he entire system with a pressurized oil fill can with VR-1.</span><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helveti=
ca",sans-serif;color:#333333">This way I have all the old oil out and =
can refill the oil lines, cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re=
-pressurize the accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-ser=
if;color:black"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Overkill? maybe, but overkil=
l is underated anyway. My motors last longer as a result of the extra work.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans=
-serif;color:black"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black=
"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
",sans-serif;color:#333333"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p><p><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;=
color:#333333"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",s=
ans-serif;color:black"></span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;mar=
gin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A">On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"=
mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wro=
te: </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-s=
erif;color:#26282A">I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection=
, street and race cars.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">There's a purpose-made cutter =
available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cutter.</span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">My =
procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware off=
of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the elemen=
t dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the ends=
so that it lays flat.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Leave it overnight so that the =
oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to see any trash very clearly in the=
folds.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&quo=
t;,sans-serif;color:#26282A">You'll also be amazed at how little filter mat=
erial is in some filters eg fram...</span><span style=3D"color:black"></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">NAPA Gold/WIX seem=
to be the best.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Glen</span><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><=
span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;c=
olor:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"color=
:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom=
:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: robert bownes <=
<a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank">bownes@web9.com</a>>=
; <br>To: Rocky Entriken <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br>Cc: britcars <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:britcars@bellsouth.net" target=3D"_blank">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>=
;; fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">fubog1@ao=
l.com</a>>; vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; target=3D"_=
blank">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018=
4:45 pm <br>Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? </span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"></span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;colo=
r:black">After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147=
Spit (Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next=
engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend=
, before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=
</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for =
anyone who wants one. :)</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">I miss that c=
ar. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> =
</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><=
span style=3D"color:black"></span></p><div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404=
987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226yqt31919"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:bla=
ck">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a href=3D"m=
ailto:fot@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrot=
e: </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D=
"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Any bad stuff in the oi=
l lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make the filter the first stop=
(and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. And what nobody else men=
tioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goes back to the engine (k=
eeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump =
is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=80=93=
what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from =
the Accusump goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it go=
ing the other way.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> <=
/span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">And yeah, coolers are chea=
p. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush out the lines (self-service =
car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse), but buy a new cooler.</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"=
color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:12.0pt;color:black">--Rocky</span><span style=3D"color:black"></spa=
n></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><d=
iv><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;=
color:black">From:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> barry rosenberg via Fot</spa=
n><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Sent:</span></strong><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;col=
or:black"> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM</span><span style=3D"color:blac=
k"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesm=
oke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma"=
,sans-serif;color:black">To:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> fubog1 ; Phil Gott=
</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Cc:</span></strong=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;=
color:black"> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@a=
utox.team.net</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:whitesmoke"><strong><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"=
>Subject:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter fi=
rst?</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div></div></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> </s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helveti=
ca",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Yes, filter firs=
t. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the way the cooler li=
nes run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top. This does not p=
ermit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the cooler retains =
the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one line to drain t=
he old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with the fitting on th=
e bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you must pre-lube the =
engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radiator and not in =
front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water temp are to eac=
h other, the better.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-se=
rif;color:black">Barry</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color=
:black"></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-924368=
07e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yahoo_quoted_4365142166">=
<div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On Monday, December 3, 20=
18, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team=
.net" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26=
282A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetic=
a",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black">=
</span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1=
736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",=
sans-serif;color:#26282A">Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. C=
oolers are hard to clean. Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on eng=
ine refreshing. </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">With a =
cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an Accusu=
mp upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon standing a=
while. </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p><div id=3D"ydp788b544=
ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e30394yi=
v5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Sent=
from my iPhone</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div id=
=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_839556573390437827=
1ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
gin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><br>On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 =
via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">fot@au=
tox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p><=
/div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Hel=
vetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I typically run an inspectable (Ober=
g) out of the engine before the cooler, and a second filter after the coole=
r.</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sa=
ns-serif;color:#26282A">It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibilit=
y of oil cooler trash getting in the engine.</span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">I also re=
place the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span style=3D"color:blac=
k"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12=
.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Glen</span=
><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif=
;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> </span><span style=3D"col=
or:black"></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298"><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message----- <br>From: Bu=
d Rolofson via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blac=
k">-</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif;color:black">To: FOT < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br>Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 =
am <br>Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? </span><span style=3D=
"color:black"></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Listerati, =
</span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:black"> </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For those of you running a remote oil=
cooler and remote oil filter do you run the hose coming OUT of the engine =
into the cooler first or the filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (=
if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run their lines. </span><span style=3D"co=
lor:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </=
span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif=
;color:black">Thanks </span><span style=3D"color:black"></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bud </span><span style=3D"color:black"=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">__________________=
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