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I always clean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, i=
nside the block, head etc - everything gets a double or triple clean/soak -=
rattle things around if possible, small brushes etc - even oil coolers tha=
t are not badly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking when not quite full o=
f debris - the thinner helps release the particles from walls and tubes whe=
n shaken, do them numerous times until drained thinner shows ZERO particles=
- have never had a repeat failure from any debris floating around - have o=
nly lost 1 engine from bearing failure (RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 fr=
om piston failure (1147), 1 from pin failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor=
gear (RX7) in roughly 28 years
Ralph
On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E9=E2=
=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E19=E2=80=8E:=
=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gray via Fot <f=
ot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
=20
=20
I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D.=20
I just try to get as many small particulates out of the cooler and oil line=
s as I can within reason.
Ask yourself, how many quarts of=C2=A0 oil do your oil lines, cooler and su=
mp line carry and do you actually get all that oil/debris out
with a normal oil change?
Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil quality=
on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve
had better engine life.
=C2=A0
Jim
=C2=A0
From: van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>=20
Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:25 AM
To: Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Cc: fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
When the engine is running, during a race,=C2=A0 a hot fluid with detergent=
s and other additives is flushing the=C2=A0 engine, oil cooler etc... namel=
y the engine oil!=C2=A0 Frankly,=C2=A0 I really wonder if flushing the engi=
ne by yourself is any better. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated wi=
th combustion blow by, this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oi=
l every now and then, but is it really possible to do anything better than =
that? I may very well be wrong, but=C2=A0 so far I don't=C2=A0 understand w=
hy it is necessary to flush the engine.
Marcel.
Van: "fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Aan: "Brian Schirano" <bschirano@yahoo.com>, "fubog1" <fubog1@aol.com>, "fo=
t" <fot@autox.team.net>, bownes@web9.com, "Rocky Entriken" <rocky@spitfire4=
.com>
Verzonden: Zaterdag 8 december 2018 18:13:14
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
Brian,
I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusump with kerosene. I flush the acc=
usump with cheapo oil but flush the sump lines with kerosene
When I dump the old oil I leave the electric valve open and run the pressur=
e up with the Schrader valve in the other end to insure the piston is botto=
med.
I put the cheap oil in the oil charger, remove the Schrader valve and conne=
ct it to the accusump completely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the=
sump line, put the Schrader valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PS=
I and blow the oil back out into the pan while draining.
Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrader valve again, connect my flusher to bo=
th ends of the sump line and circulate some kerosene. I still have cheapo o=
il in the charger,
I=E2=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out an=
y kerosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is w=
ith new VR-1,
Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & reconnect, re-fill the oil =
cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything & done. I set up all my oi=
l lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines have an inline filter and bo=
th incoming and out going lines have a connection right on top of the L/F f=
ender for easy access.
It sounds like a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hou=
r. I could make things even easier with dry break fittings but those things=
are really pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change.=
On a new engine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.
Having that K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s g=
enerated.
jim
=C2=A0
From: Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com>=20
Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 8:57 PM
To: fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>; bownes@we=
b9.com; rocky@spitfire4.com; JAMES GRAY <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filters
=C2=A0
would love to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flu=
sh the accusump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and =
cleaned it, but a flush?
=C2=A0
26A GT6+, 28 TR6
Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM EST, JAMES GRAY via Fot <fot@autox=
.team.net> wrote:=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Some years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oil=
s about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality.=
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system=
.
I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep a spare filter ele=
ment which I change out after every day of racing. The filter elements are =
FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day of racing I can see=
how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is changed after two w=
eekends. On each oil change I completely flush
all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the handy r=
ecirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pump. =
I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no ke=
rosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized oil=
fill can with VR-1.
This way I have all the old oil out and can refill the oil lines, cooler an=
d accusump with fresh oil. Then I can re-pressurize the accusump and it's r=
eady to go on the next engine start.
Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors last longer as=
a result of the extra work.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM fubog1 via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=
=20
I routinely cut the spin-on filters open for inspection, street and race ca=
rs.
There's a purpose-made cutter available nowadays, it's just a big tubing cu=
tter.
My procedure is to cut off the end, remove the element, strip the hardware =
off of it and cut the ends off with a sharp blade. Then stretch out the ele=
ment dirty (outside) up on a couple layers of paper towels and weight the e=
nds so that it lays flat.
Leave it overnight so that the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to se=
e any trash very clearly in the folds.
You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg f=
ram...
NAPA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.
Glen=20
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----=20
From: robert bownes <bownes@web9.com>=20
To: Rocky Entriken <rocky@spitfire4.com>=20
Cc: britcars <britcars@bellsouth.net>; fubog1 <fubog1@aol.com>; vfracing <v=
fracing@aol.com>; FOT <fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm=20
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 Spit (Ba=
ck in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next engine l=
asted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend, before =
the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since.=20
=C2=A0
But I do have a stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)
=C2=A0
I miss that car. But not the grenades that it kept under the hood.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < fot@autox.team.net>=
wrote:=20
Any bad stuff in the oil lines is gonna originate in the engine, so make th=
e filter the first stop (and usually the shortest line). Then the cooler. A=
nd what nobody else mentioned, a check valve after the cooler before it goe=
s back to the engine (keeps oil from flowing backwards into cooler, say on =
start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the=
engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oi=
l, and what comes from the Accusump goes only to the engine because the che=
ck valve prevents it going the other way.
=C2=A0
And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=80=99ll flush ou=
t the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use high-pressure rinse)=
, but buy a new cooler.
=C2=A0
--Rocky
=C2=A0
From: barry rosenberg via Fot
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2018 7:27 AM
To: fubog1 ; Phil Gott
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Yes, filter first. But what I have run into on some customers cars is the w=
ay the cooler lines run. Most coolers are mounted with the fittings on top.=
This does not permit the cooler to drain and when you change your oil, the=
cooler retains the old oil. You have to remove the cooler and at least one=
line to drain the old oil out. Try to set your cooler a little high with t=
he fitting on the bottom so it can self drain. Of course, this means you mu=
st pre-lube the engine before startup. I also set my cooler behind the radi=
ator and not in front. NASCAR experts say that the closer the oil and water=
temp are to each other, the better.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Barry
=C2=A0
On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < fot@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Filter first. Keeps the crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. =
Good thought By Glen to replace the cooker on engine refreshing.=C2=A0
With a cooler in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an=
Accusump upon cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon sta=
nding a while.=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot < fot@autox.team.net> wrote:=20
I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of the engine before the cooler,=
and a second filter after the cooler.
It may be overkill but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash ge=
tting in the engine.
I also replace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.
Glen
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
-----Original Message-----=20
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-To: FOT < fot@autox.team.net>=20
Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am=20
Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first?=20
Listerati,=20
=C2=A0
For those of you running a remote oil cooler and remote oil filter do you r=
un the hose coming OUT of the engine into the cooler first or the filter fi=
rst? Just wanted to see how and why (if there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run =
their lines.=20
=C2=A0
Thanks=20
Bud=20
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y: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">I always cl=
ean an engine with lots of lacquer thinner, all the passages, inside the bl=
ock, head etc - everything gets a double or triple clean/soak - rattle thin=
gs around if possible, small brushes etc - even oil coolers that are not ba=
dly loaded with debris, plenty of shaking when not quite full of debris - t=
he thinner helps release the particles from walls and tubes when shaken, do=
them numerous times until drained thinner shows ZERO particles - have neve=
r had a repeat failure from any debris floating around - have only lost 1 e=
ngine from bearing failure (RX7), 1 from broken rod (22R), 1 from piston fa=
ilure (1147), 1 from pin failure (22R), and 1 from broken rotor gear (RX7) =
in roughly 28 years</div><div class=3D"ydp4b43dc8yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D=
"font-family: Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">=
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elvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;">Ralph</div><div=
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Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><br></div><div class=3D"ydp4b=
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On =E2=80=8ESunday=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8EDecember=E2=80=8E=
=E2=80=8E9=E2=80=8E, =E2=80=8E2018=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8E10=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E=
19=E2=80=8E:=E2=80=8E17=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8EAM=E2=80=8E =E2=80=8ECST, Jim Gra=
y via Fot <fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
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<div><br></div>
<div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830"><div><div class=
=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901=
830MsoNormal">I don=E2=80=99t flush the =E2=80=9C engine=E2=80=9D. </p><p c=
lass=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal">I just try to get as many small =
particulates out of the cooler and oil lines as I can within reason.</p><p =
class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal">Ask yourself, how many quarts o=
f oil do your oil lines, cooler and sump line carry and do you actual=
ly get all that oil/debris out</p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNo=
rmal">with a normal oil change?</p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoN=
ormal"> Say what you want but since I=E2=80=99ve started doing this my oil =
quality on the average has been better and I=E2=80=99ve</p><p class=3D"ydpe=
cd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal">had better engine life.</p><p class=3D"ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"> </p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv68699018=
30MsoNormal">Jim</p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"> <=
/p><div class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830yqt0888859616" id=3D"ydpecd0af86yi=
v6869901830yqt20566"><div><div style=3D"border-width: 1pt medium medium; bo=
rder-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentColor =
currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830Ms=
oNormal"><b>From:</b> van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be <van.mulders.marcel@=
telenet.be> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 9, 2018 6:2=
5 AM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> Jim Gray <toodamnfunky@comcast.net>=
<br clear=3D"none"><b>Cc:</b> fot <fot@autox.team.net><br clear=3D"no=
ne"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filte=
rs</p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"> </p=
><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.0pt;"> </span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv686=
9901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">When the engine is runn=
ing, during a race, a hot fluid with detergents and other additives i=
s flushing the engine, oil cooler etc... namely the engine oil! =
Frankly, I really wonder if flushing the engine by yourself is any b=
etter. Admittedly, the engine oil is contaminated with combustion blow by, =
this is one of the reasons to exchange the engine oil every now and then, b=
ut is it really possible to do anything better than that? I may very well b=
e wrong, but so far I don't understand why it is necessary to f=
lush the engine.</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Marcel.</span></p></div><div al=
ign=3D"center" class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"text-al=
ign:center;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span><hr width=3D"100%" si=
ze=3D"2" align=3D"center" id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830zwchr"></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;">Van: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">"fot" <<a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Aan: </b>"Brian Schir=
ano" <<a href=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
follow" shape=3D"rect">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>>, "fubog1" <<a href=3D=
"mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">f=
ubog1@aol.com</a>>, "fot" <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>>, <=
a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect">bownes@web9.com</a>, "Rocky Entriken" <<a href=3D"mailto:rocky=
@spitfire4.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">rocky@spi=
tfire4.com</a>><br clear=3D"none"><b>Verzonden: </b>Zaterdag 8 december =
2018 18:13:14<br clear=3D"none"><b>Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or O=
il filter first? also re filters</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af=
86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:black;">Brian,</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"color:black;">I mis-spoke when I said I flush the accusu=
mp with kerosene. I flush the accusump with cheapo oil but flush the sump l=
ines with kerosene</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color:black;">When I dump the old oil I leave the electric =
valve open and run the pressure up with the Schrader valve in the other end=
to insure the piston is bottomed.</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869=
901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">I put the cheap oil in the oi=
l charger, remove the Schrader valve and connect it to the accusump complet=
ely fill the accusump with oil, re connect the sump line, put the Schrader =
valve back in and run the pressure up to 90 PSI and blow the oil back out i=
nto the pan while draining.</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Then I=E2=80=99ll remove the Schrade=
r valve again, connect my flusher to both ends of the sump line and circula=
te some kerosene. I still have cheapo oil in the charger,</span></p><p clas=
s=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">I=E2=
=80=99ll run a quart of that through the sump line just to chase out any ke=
rosene and move to the oil cooler and cooler lines. The last phase is with =
new VR-1,</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"color:black;">Fully charge the accusump, fill the sump line & re=
connect, re-fill the oil cooler and cooler lines and reconnect everything &=
amp; done. I set up all my oil lines to make this easy. My oil cooler lines=
have an inline filter and both incoming and out going lines have a connect=
ion right on top of the L/F fender for easy access.</span></p><p class=3D"y=
dpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">It sounds li=
ke a pain but a full oil change and flush takes me about an hour. I could m=
ake things even easier with dry break fittings but those things are really =
pricey so for now I=E2=80=99ll just spend the hour on a change. On a new en=
gine everything will come apart and get hand cleaned.</span></p><p class=3D=
"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black;">Having tha=
t K & P filter really helps get tiny debris out as it=E2=80=99s generat=
ed.</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"color:black;">jim</span></p><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"color:black;"> </span></p><div><div style=3D"border-wi=
dth: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(22=
5, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><p class=3D"=
ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black;">From:</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"color:black;"> Brian Schirano <<a href=3D"mailto:=
bschirano@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">bsch=
irano@yahoo.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 7,=
2018 8:57 PM<br clear=3D"none"><b>To:</b> fubog1 <<a href=3D"mailto:fub=
og1@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fubog1@aol.c=
om</a>>; fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D=
"rect">bownes@web9.com</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>; JAMES =
GRAY <<a href=3D"mailto:toodamnfunky@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=
=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">toodamnfunky@comcast.net</a>><br clear=3D"n=
one"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? also re filt=
ers</span></p></div></div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"color:black;"> </span></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpe=
cd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">would love=
to hear more on the flushing system. Particularly how do you flush the acc=
usump? there is only one way in and out. I've taken it apart and cleaned it=
, but a flush?</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><p =
class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;">Brian Schirano<br clear=3D"none">585-305-0349 Cell <br clear=3D"non=
e"><a href=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect">BSchirano@yahoo.com</a></span><span style=3D"color:black;"=
></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;=
"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></s=
pan></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayahoo_quo=
ted_4287730593"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On Friday, December 7, 2018, 11:44:52 AM ES=
T, JAMES GRAY via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </=
span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0=
af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span>=
<span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86y=
iv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span=
style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869=
901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987"><div><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">S=
ome years ago now I had a conversation with Lake Speed Jr at Brad Penn oils=
about viscosity and drove home the importance of maintaining oil quality. =
After that conversation I went all out in the way I treat my oiling system.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;">I run the K & P oil filter with cleanble element. I keep =
a spare filter element which I change out after every day of racing. The fi=
lter elements are FAA certified so good enough for me. So, after each day o=
f racing I can see how my motor is doing in just a couple minutes. Oil is c=
hanged after two weekends. On each oil change I completely flush</span><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt=
;">all my oil lines, oil cooler and my accusump with kerosene with the hand=
y recirculating flusher I made from a 5 gallon bucket and 12 volt fluid pum=
p. I'll run a few quarts of cheap oil through just to make sure there is no=
kerosene left. After that I recharge the entire system with a pressurized =
oil fill can with VR-1.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p>=
<p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">This way I have all the old oil out an=
d can refill the oil lines, cooler and accusump with fresh oil. Then I can =
re-pressurize the accusump and it's ready to go on the next engine start.</=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:12.0pt;">Overkill? maybe, but overkill is underated anyway. My motors la=
st longer as a result of the extra work.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.=
0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">&=
nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></p><p><span style=3D"=
font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"></span></=
p><p><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;"></span></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt;"><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-botto=
m:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On December 3, 2018 at 3:28 PM=
fubog1 via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><=
span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv68699=
01830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I routinely cut the spin-=
on filters open for inspection, street and race cars.</span><span style=3D"=
color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">There's a purpose-made cutter ava=
ilable nowadays, it's just a big tubing cutter.</span><span style=3D"color:=
black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">My procedure is to cut off the end, rem=
ove the element, strip the hardware off of it and cut the ends off with a s=
harp blade. Then stretch out the element dirty (outside) up on a couple lay=
ers of paper towels and weight the ends so that it lays flat.</span><span s=
tyle=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv68699=
01830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Leave it overnight so tha=
t the oil soaks out of it and you'll be able to see any trash very clearly =
in the folds.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;=
">You'll also be amazed at how little filter material is in some filters eg=
fram...</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">NA=
PA Gold/WIX seem to be the best.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Glen</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span=
><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86=
yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv68=
69901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901=
830MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;">-----Original Message----- <br clear=3D"none">From: robert bownes <=
<a href=3D"mailto:bownes@web9.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=
=3D"rect">bownes@web9.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none">To: Rocky Entriken <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:rocky@spitfire4.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" =
shape=3D"rect">rocky@spitfire4.com</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Cc: britcars =
<<a href=3D"mailto:britcars@bellsouth.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofo=
llow" shape=3D"rect">britcars@bellsouth.net</a>>; fubog1 <<a href=3D"=
mailto:fubog1@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fu=
bog1@aol.com</a>>; vfracing <<a href=3D"mailto:vfracing@aol.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">vfracing@aol.com</a>>; FOT=
<<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollo=
w" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, =
Dec 3, 2018 4:45 pm <br clear=3D"none">Subject: Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil=
filter first? </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p><div><div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;">After cleaning out a filter that survived a bad bearing in my 1147 =
Spit (Back in the Day) and re-using it (It was after the filter), the next =
engine lasted a whole 22 minutes, about 3 sessions short of a race weekend,=
before the very same failure occurred. I've never re-used a cooler since. =
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </spa=
n><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af8=
6yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">But I do have a =
stack of 3 or 4 for anyone who wants one. :)</span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;">=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">I miss that car. But not the grenades that it k=
ept under the hood.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"=
ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> =
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p><div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86y=
iv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226yqt31919"><d=
iv><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;">On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 4:20 PM Rocky Entriken via Fot < <a href=
=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"=
rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span style=3D"color:black;"=
></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt=
;"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Any bad stuff in the oil lines is =
gonna originate in the engine, so make the filter the first stop (and usual=
ly the shortest line). Then the cooler. And what nobody else mentioned, a c=
heck valve after the cooler before it goes back to the engine (keeps oil fr=
om flowing backwards into cooler, say on start-up.) My Accusump is plumbed =
into a Tee that=E2=80=99s just before the engine inlet =E2=80=93 what goes =
to the Accusump is filtered and cooled oil, and what comes from the Accusum=
p goes only to the engine because the check valve prevents it going the oth=
er way.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;colo=
r:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0=
pt;color:black;">And yeah, coolers are cheap. If I=E2=80=99m concerned I=E2=
=80=99ll flush out the lines (self-service car wash does the trick, use hig=
h-pressure rinse), but buy a new cooler.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"=
></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:=
black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">--Rocky</span><span style=
=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869=
901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span=
><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"y=
dpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image: none; backgrou=
nd-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; ba=
ckground-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">From=
:</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> barry rosenberg via Fot=
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image: none; background-r=
epeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; backgr=
ound-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sent:</s=
pan></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Monday, December 3, 2018 7:=
27 AM</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"=
ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image: none; backgro=
und-repeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; b=
ackground-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">To:=
</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> fubog1 ; Phil Gott</span=
><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86=
yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image: none; background-repeat:=
repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; background-c=
olor: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Cc:</span></st=
rong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>=
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpec=
d0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"background-image: none; background-r=
epeat: repeat; background-attachment: scroll; background-size: auto; backgr=
ound-color: whitesmoke;"><strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Subject:=
</span></strong><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> Re: [Fot] Oil Cooler or =
Oil filter first?</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div></div=
></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:12.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></s=
pan></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:=
black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Yes, filter first. But what I have run =
into on some customers cars is the way the cooler lines run. Most coolers a=
re mounted with the fittings on top. This does not permit the cooler to dra=
in and when you change your oil, the cooler retains the old oil. You have t=
o remove the cooler and at least one line to drain the old oil out. Try to =
set your cooler a little high with the fitting on the bottom so it can self=
drain. Of course, this means you must pre-lube the engine before startup. =
I also set my cooler behind the radiator and not in front. NASCAR experts s=
ay that the closer the oil and water temp are to each other, the better.</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0a=
f86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><=
span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yi=
v6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span =
style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869=
901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Barry</span><span style=
=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv686990183=
0MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"c=
olor:black;"></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp7=
88b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733904378271ydp77e3=
0394yahoo_quoted_4365142166"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">On Monday, December 3, 2018, 8=
:02:15 AM EST, Phil Gott via Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"=
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>&g=
t; wrote:</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">&n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"y=
dpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> <=
/span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><div id=3D"ydpecd0=
af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955=
65733904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700"><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869=
901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Filter first. Keeps the =
crud out of the cooker. Coolers are hard to clean. Good thought By Glen to =
replace the cooker on engine refreshing. </span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;"></span></p><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">With a cooler =
in the system, also a good idea to prelube the engine with an Accusump upon=
cold start. Oil cooler lines are long and may drain upon standing a while.=
</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv68=
69901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_83955657339043=
78271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700AppleMailSignature"><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv=
6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Sent from my iPhone<=
/span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86y=
iv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1736221226m_8395565733=
904378271ydp77e30394yiv5084618700yqt71373"><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6=
869901830MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;"><br clear=3D"none">On Dec 3, 2018, at 7:02 AM, fubog1 via Fot &l=
t; <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow"=
shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>> wrote: </span><span style=3D"col=
or:black;"></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bo=
ttom:5.0pt;"><div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I typically run an inspectable (Oberg) out of =
the engine before the cooler, and a second filter after the cooler.</span><=
span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yi=
v6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">It may be overkill =
but it eliminates the possibility of oil cooler trash getting in the engine=
.</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpe=
cd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">I also rep=
lace the cooler @ every engine freshen-up.</span><span style=3D"color:black=
;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">Glen</span><span style=3D"color:black;"></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></=
p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></d=
iv><div id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987yqt65298"><di=
v><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;">-----Original Message----- <br clear=3D"none">From: Bud Rolofson vi=
a Fot < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"n=
ofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.team.net</a>></span><span style=3D"col=
or:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;">-</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">To: FOT < <a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect">fot@autox.t=
eam.net</a>> <br clear=3D"none">Sent: Mon, Dec 3, 2018 2:51 am <br clear=
=3D"none">Subject: [Fot] Oil Cooler or Oil filter first? </span><span style=
=3D"color:black;"></span></p><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Listerati, </span><span style=3D"co=
lor:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:b=
lack;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">For those of you running a remote oil co=
oler and remote oil filter do you run the hose coming OUT of the engine int=
o the cooler first or the filter first? Just wanted to see how and why (if =
there=E2=80=99s a reason) most run their lines. </span><span style=3D"color=
:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:blac=
k;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Thanks </span><span style=3D"color:black;">=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">Bud </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;">_______________________________________________ </sp=
an><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af=
86yiv6869901830MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;"><a href=3D"mail=
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:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=3D"color:black;"></span></p></div><div><=
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:black;"></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830MsoNorma=
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iv id=3D"ydpecd0af86yiv6869901830ydp788b544ayiv1874404987ox-92436807e0-yiv1=
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