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All motorcycles that I=E2=80=99m aware of use dog boxes. No synchros, =
very few hypoid gears. Straight cut and dogs or internal locking =
selectors on the gear. And still it=E2=80=99s a compromise.=20
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:47 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot =
<fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> We used Mobile 1 SAE 5 in our TZ 250 A 1990 AMA championship bike
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot =
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>> Terry
>>=20
>> https://www.widman.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf =
<https://www.widman.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf>=20
>> The adress above is an interesting article about engine/gearbox oil =
for classic mini's. The conclusion of the author is that it's all about =
the right choice : engine oils that have the shear stability for the =
gears do exist. I've a dogbox, so it has straight cut gears (with less =
sliding action I think) just like most bike gearboxes. Classic Mini's =
have frequently gearbox problems, maybe part of these can be avoided =
with the right oil. But most bikes are not particulary weak in the =
gearbox area, so I think it is worth looking for a right oil to try in =
an overdrive gearbox. My car is accelerating fast, inclusive 4th gear, =
but when overdrive is engaged, rpm is climbing slowly. I've mounted a =
25% overdrive now instead of a 28% so far : that will make things a =
little better, but I'm still trying to find ways to make the overdrive =
less power sapping.
>> Marcel
>>=20
>> Verzonden: Zondag 16 december 2018 19:01:54
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?
>>=20
>> The OD shares it=E2=80=99s oil with the transmission. I=E2=80=99d =
really worry about transmission life with engine oil as it=E2=80=99s =
lubricant. Engine oil does not have the shear stability that gear oils =
do.
>> One of the worst features of the classic Mini is the fact that it =
shares it=E2=80=99s engine oil with the gearbox.
>> =20
>> Terry Stetler
>> =20
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>> =20
>> From: Fot <fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:08:41 AM
>> To: fot
>> Subject: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?
>> =20
>> Like most TR racers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some =
laptime on most racetracks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight =
penalty and the gap between 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. =
There is also a considerable amount of power loss when the overdrive is =
engaged because of the friction in the overdrive gears : but I think =
that in general modern engine oil can reduce the friction in the =
overdrive, compared to GL-4 gear oil, because it has much better =
friction modifiers. But are these friction modifiers compatible with the =
clutch in the overdrive?? Classic Mini's and most bikes have 1 oil pan =
for both engine and gearbox : what about using a modern bike oil or a =
modern (synthetic) classic mini oil in an overdrive gearbox to reduce =
the friction in the overdrive and gain some acceleration when 4th =
overdrive gear is engaged?
>> Marcel
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">All =
motorcycles that I=E2=80=99m aware of use dog boxes. No synchros, very =
few hypoid gears. Straight cut and dogs or internal locking selectors on =
the gear. And still it=E2=80=99s a compromise. <div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:47 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot <<a =
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wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
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none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">We used =
Mobile 1 SAE 5 in our TZ 250 A 1990 AMA championship bike</span><br =
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text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Dec 16, 2018, at =
5:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot <<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
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style=3D"font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: =
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style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: =
10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Terry</div><div =
class=3D""><br data-mce-bogus=3D"1" class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.widman.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf"; =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://www.widman.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf</a> =
<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The adress above is an interesting =
article about engine/gearbox oil for classic mini's. The conclusion of =
the author is that it's all about the right choice : engine oils that =
have the shear stability for the gears do exist. I've a dogbox, so it =
has straight cut gears (with less sliding action I think) just like most =
bike gearboxes. Classic Mini's have frequently gearbox problems, maybe =
part of these can be avoided with the right oil. But most bikes are not =
particulary weak in the gearbox area, so I think it is worth looking for =
a right oil to try in an overdrive gearbox. My car is accelerating fast, =
inclusive 4th gear, but when overdrive is engaged, rpm is climbing =
slowly. I've mounted a 25% overdrive now instead of a 28% so far : that =
will make things a little better, but I'm still trying to find ways to =
make the overdrive less power sapping.</div><div =
class=3D"">Marcel</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><hr =
id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__" class=3D""><div =
data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Van:<span =
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19:01:54<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Onderwerp:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Fot] bike engine =
oil for overdrive gearbox?<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__" class=3D""><div =
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0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">The OD shares it=E2=80=99s oil with the =
transmission. I=E2=80=99d really worry about transmission =
life with engine oil as it=E2=80=99s lubricant. Engine oil does =
not have the shear stability that gear oils do.</div><div style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">One of the worst features of the classic Mini is the fact =
that it shares it=E2=80=99s engine oil with the gearbox.</div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; =
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class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Fot] bike engine oil for =
overdrive gearbox?</span><div class=3D""> </div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, =
sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Like most TR =
racers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some laptime on most =
racetracks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight penalty and the =
gap between 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. There is also a =
considerable amount of power loss when the overdrive is engaged because =
of the friction in the overdrive gears : but I think that in general =
modern engine oil can reduce the friction in the overdrive, compared to =
GL-4 gear oil, because it has much better friction modifiers. But are =
these friction modifiers compatible with the clutch in the overdrive?? =
Classic Mini's and most bikes have 1 oil pan for both engine and gearbox =
: what about using a modern bike oil or a modern (synthetic) classic =
mini oil in an overdrive gearbox to reduce the friction in the overdrive =
and gain some acceleration when 4th overdrive gear is engaged?</div><div =
class=3D"">Marcel</div></div></div><br =
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