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Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?

To: Bill <Bill@ponostyle.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?
From: "van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot" <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:11:25 +0100 (CET)
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Bill, it's because I have a dogbox that I'm thinking of using a bike oil. I=
n the article mentioned above, good things are said about AMSOIL, (see the =
posting of D=C2=A3uncan)=20
Marcel=20


Van: "Bill" <Bill@ponostyle.com>=20
Aan: "John Hasty" <jhasty@mhc-law.com>=20
Cc: "van mulders marcel" <van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be>, "fot" <fot@autox.=
team.net>=20
Verzonden: Maandag 17 december 2018 03:01:07=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?=20

All motorcycles that I=E2=80=99m aware of use dog boxes. No synchros, very =
few hypoid gears. Straight cut and dogs or internal locking selectors on th=
e gear. And still it=E2=80=99s a compromise.=20





On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:47 PM, John H. Hasty via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20

We used Mobile 1 SAE 5 in our TZ 250 A 1990 AMA championship bike=20

Sent from my iPhone=20

On Dec 16, 2018, at 5:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot@a=
utox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] > wrote:=20


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Terry=20

[ https://www.widman.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf | https://www.widma=
n.biz/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf ]=20
The adress above is an interesting article about engine/gearbox oil for cla=
ssic mini's. The conclusion of the author is that it's all about the right =
choice : engine oils that have the shear stability for the gears do exist. =
I've a dogbox, so it has straight cut gears (with less sliding action I thi=
nk) just like most bike gearboxes. Classic Mini's have frequently gearbox p=
roblems, maybe part of these can be avoided with the right oil. But most bi=
kes are not particulary weak in the gearbox area, so I think it is worth lo=
oking for a right oil to try in an overdrive gearbox. My car is acceleratin=
g fast, inclusive 4th gear, but when overdrive is engaged, rpm is climbing =
slowly. I've mounted a 25% overdrive now instead of a 28% so far : that wil=
l make things a little better, but I'm still trying to find ways to make th=
e overdrive less power sapping.=20
Marcel=20


Van: "fot" < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Aan: "fot" < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Verzonden: Zondag 16 december 2018 19:01:54=20
Onderwerp: Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?=20

The OD shares it=E2=80=99s oil with the transmission. I=E2=80=99d really wo=
rry about transmission life with engine oil as it=E2=80=99s lubricant. Engi=
ne oil does not have the shear stability that gear oils do.=20
One of the worst features of the classic Mini is the fact that it shares it=
=E2=80=99s engine oil with the gearbox.=20



Terry Stetler=20



Sent from [ https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986 | Mail ] for W=
indows 10=20




From: Fot < [ mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net | fot-bounces@autox.team.ne=
t ] > on behalf of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot < [ mailto:fot@autox.team.=
net | fot@autox.team.net ] >=20
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:08:41 AM=20
To: fot=20
Subject: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?=20
Like most TR racers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some lapti=
me on most racetracks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight penalty =
and the gap between 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. There is al=
so a considerable amount of power loss when the overdrive is engaged becaus=
e of the friction in the overdrive gears : but I think that in general mode=
rn engine oil can reduce the friction in the overdrive, compared to GL-4 ge=
ar oil, because it has much better friction modifiers. But are these fricti=
on modifiers compatible with the clutch in the overdrive?? Classic Mini's a=
nd most bikes have 1 oil pan for both engine and gearbox : what about using=
 a modern bike oil or a modern (synthetic) classic mini oil in an overdrive=
 gearbox to reduce the friction in the overdrive and gain some acceleration=
 when 4th overdrive gear is engaged?=20
Marcel=20

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marcel@telenet.be ]=20



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<html><body><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div>Bill, it's because I have a dogbox=
 that I'm thinking of using a bike oil. In the article mentioned above, goo=
d things are said about AMSOIL, (see the posting of D=C2=A3uncan)</div><div=
>Marcel</div><div><br></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" data-marker=3D"__DIVIDER__"><d=
iv data-marker=3D"__HEADERS__"><b>Van: </b>"Bill" &lt;Bill@ponostyle.com&gt=
;<br><b>Aan: </b>"John Hasty" &lt;jhasty@mhc-law.com&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>"van=
 mulders marcel" &lt;van.mulders.marcel@telenet.be&gt;, "fot" &lt;fot@autox=
.team.net&gt;<br><b>Verzonden: </b>Maandag 17 december 2018 03:01:07<br><b>=
Onderwerp: </b>Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?<br></div><b=
r><div data-marker=3D"__QUOTED_TEXT__">All motorcycles that I=E2=80=99m awa=
re of use dog boxes. No synchros, very few hypoid gears. Straight cut and d=
ogs or internal locking selectors on the gear. And still it=E2=80=99s a com=
promise.&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquot=
e class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 16, 2018, at 12:47 PM, John H. Hasty vi=
a Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"" target=3D"_blank=
">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-new=
line"><div class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family=
: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps=
: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; t=
ext-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0=
px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; dis=
play: inline !important;" class=3D"">We used Mobile 1 SAE 5 in our TZ 250 A=
 1990 AMA championship bike</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-va=
riant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align=
: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-=
spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=
=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSM=
T; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-wei=
ght: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; t=
ext-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-s=
troke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" style=
=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; font-size: 1=
8px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; le=
tter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none;" class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"=
ltr" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: TimesNewRomanPSMT; fo=
nt-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-t=
ransform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke=
-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Dec 16, 2=
018, at 5:19 PM, van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@au=
tox.team.net" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline=
;" class=3D"" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"font-family: TimesNewRomanP=
SMT; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-w=
eight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; te=
xt-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; wo=
rd-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width:=
 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt=
;" class=3D""><div class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Terry</div><div class=
=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"https://www.widman.bi=
z/mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-d=
ecoration: underline;" class=3D"" target=3D"_blank">https://www.widman.biz/=
mini_pics/classic-mini-oil.pdf</a>&nbsp;<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"=
">The adress above is an interesting article about engine/gearbox oil for c=
lassic mini's. The conclusion of the author is that it's all about the righ=
t choice : engine oils that have the shear stability for the gears do exist=
. I've a dogbox, so it has straight cut gears (with less sliding action I t=
hink) just like most bike gearboxes. Classic Mini's have frequently gearbox=
 problems, maybe part of these can be avoided with the right oil. But most =
bikes are not particulary weak in the gearbox area, so I think it is worth =
looking for a right oil to try in an overdrive gearbox. My car is accelerat=
ing fast, inclusive 4th gear, but when overdrive is engaged, rpm is climbin=
g slowly. I've mounted a 25% overdrive now instead of a 28% so far : that w=
ill make things a little better, but I'm still trying to find ways to make =
the overdrive less power sapping.</div><div class=3D"">Marcel</div><div cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D""></div><hr id=3D"zwchr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><b=
 class=3D"">Van:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"fot=
" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 11=
4); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Aan:<span class=3D"Apple-converte=
d-space">&nbsp;</span></b>"fot" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; s=
tyle=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"" t=
arget=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Ver=
zonden:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Zondag 16 dec=
ember 2018 19:01:54<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Onderwerp:<span class=3D"Ap=
ple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: [Fot] bike engine oil for overdri=
ve gearbox?<br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div c=
lass=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div st=
yle=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;" class=3D"">The OD shares it=E2=80=99s oil with the transmission.&=
nbsp;&nbsp; I=E2=80=99d really worry about transmission life with engine oi=
l as it=E2=80=99s lubricant. &nbsp;Engine oil does not have the shear stabi=
lity that gear oils do.</div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-s=
ize: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">One of the worst f=
eatures of the classic Mini is the fact that it shares it=E2=80=99s engine =
oil with the gearbox.</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;</p><di=
v style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,=
 sans-serif;" class=3D"">Terry Stetler</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D=
"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;">&nbsp;</p><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Sent from<span class=3D"Apple-con=
verted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Link=
Id=3D550986" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-deco=
ration: underline;" class=3D"">Mail</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space=
">&nbsp;</span>for Windows 10</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp=
;</p></div><hr style=3D"display: inline-block; width: 1185.796875px;" class=
=3D""><div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-=
size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">Fro=
m:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Fot &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text=
-decoration: underline;" class=3D"" target=3D"_blank">fot-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net</a>&gt; on behalf of van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot &lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:fot@autox.team.net" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration:=
 underline;" class=3D"" target=3D"_blank">fot@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br cla=
ss=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;=
</span>Sunday, December 16, 2018 11:08:41 AM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To=
:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>fot<br class=3D""><=
b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span=
>[Fot] bike engine oil for overdrive gearbox?</span><div class=3D"">&nbsp;<=
/div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helve=
tica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Like most TR=
 racers I believe that an overdrive gearbox is worth some laptime on most r=
acetracks. But there are some drawbacks :9.5kgs weight penalty and the gap =
between 4th gear and 4th overdrive gear is too big. There is also a conside=
rable amount of power loss when the overdrive is engaged because of the fri=
ction in the overdrive gears : but I think that in general modern engine oi=
l can reduce the friction in the overdrive, compared to GL-4 gear oil, beca=
use it has much better friction modifiers. But are these friction modifiers=
 compatible with the clutch in the overdrive?? Classic Mini's and most bike=
s have 1 oil pan for both engine and gearbox : what about using a modern bi=
ke oil or a modern (synthetic) classic mini oil in an overdrive gearbox to =
reduce the friction in the overdrive and gain some acceleration when 4th ov=
erdrive gear is engaged?</div><div class=3D"">Marcel</div></div></div><br c=
lass=3D"">_______________________________________________<br class=3D""><a =
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