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This email is a keeper. Nice job!. I would add that for those of use that
have the spare later TR6 trannies to work with, the Dolomite gear sets are
a bargain priced solution. I built one for the Ex-Lemons/Chump Beanito's
TR6 with a J-type overdrive that everyone loved at COTA.
Bob Kramer
On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:25 AM Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Those are THE questions, aren't they?
>
> Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set that uses dog-rings, no
> synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran off a set and the one
> source that I know of in the UK can get them:
>
> Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs
> <http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu=
3t7n64>
>
> Dennis Vessey - Quaife gear kits for Triumph TRs
>
> metatags generator
>
> Vesseys Triumph TR Dog-Engagement Gear Kit - developed with Quaife
>
> <http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/triumph-gear-kit.htm#.XQjuu=
3t7n64>
>
>
>
> Note, if you decide to go that route, please contact me, I've been in
> contact with the vendor and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset=
.
> Maybe we can save some shipping if we get a couple of sets.
>
> Note too that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-typ=
e
> overdrive. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and
> there was no production scheduled.
>
> Failing that option, there's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This
> consists of a different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the
> corresponding layshaft gears. You need to work the case to get these to
> pit, but they work great. These are helical gears. I've used this setup f=
or
> around 20 years, and it is really really good. Note: for the best total
> gear ratio option, get a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear.
>
> Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrust
> forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaf=
t
> needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the
> layshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are
> some workarounds to compensate for excessive end float.
>
> Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle
> bearings on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard=
.
> One fix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one
> from Moss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've
> had Quantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work bett=
er
> than the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets
> pounded and you need to keep an eye on it.
>
> As you may know, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock
> and/or modified Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency =
of
> replacement parts is all over the place and you need to know what you're
> getting to spot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and payi=
ng
> attention to the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems.
>
> If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as much or more
> than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks switch to
> Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc.
>
> Hopefully you'll get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm
> at right now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the
> most "vintage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. =
In
> the spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10
> transmissions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and the=
re
> is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th whic=
h
> is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pound=
s
> which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out mor=
e
> $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't
> researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an
> option, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin.=
A
> drawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell
> housing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a
> competent machinist and more $$$. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Bob Lang
> 339-927-4489
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 9:02:31 AM EDT, Mike Deweerd via Fot <
> fot@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
> Amici
> What is the preferred gearbox for the TR4 non overdrive and where is the
> best source for getting such
> I=E2=80=99m looking at the pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs =
the close
> ratio gear set (I=E2=80=99m assuming the close ratio is still helical gea=
rs)
> Please chime in with preferences and opinions
> Cheers
> Mike Deweerd #77
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This email is a keeper. Nice job!.=C2=A0 I would add that =
for those of use that have the spare later TR6 trannies to work with, the D=
olomite gear sets are a bargain priced solution.=C2=A0 I built one for the =
Ex-Lemons/Chump Beanito's TR6=C2=A0 with a J-type overdrive that everyo=
ne loved at COTA.=C2=A0<div><div><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
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>Bob Kramer</div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
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M Robert Lang via Fot <<a href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.t=
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;t they?</div><div><br></div><div>Okay - Quaife has a straight-cut gear set=
that uses dog-rings, no synchros. Big $$$, 1600 UK pounds. Quaife just ran=
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div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.vessey-classic-car-services.co.uk/=
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80064239954844enhancr_card_1791886968" target=3D"_blank">Dennis Vessey - Qu=
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div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Note, if you decide t=
o go that route, please contact me, I've been in contact with the vendo=
r and I'm trying to place an order for this gearset. Maybe we can save =
some shipping if we get a couple of sets.</div><div><br></div><div>Note too=
that Bastuck has dog box gear sets including one using the J-type overdriv=
e. When I contacted them last fall, they had none in stock and there was no=
production scheduled.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Failing that option, th=
ere's the "Dolomite Close Ratio Gearset". This consists of a =
different input shaft and main 3rd gear along with the corresponding laysha=
ft gears. You need to work the case to get these to pit, but they work grea=
t. These are helical gears. I've used this setup for around 20 years, a=
nd it is really really good. Note: for the best total gear ratio option, ge=
t a later TR6 gearbox with the 16-tooth 1st laygear.<br></div><div><br></di=
v><div>Now, the drawback to the helical gears is apparently excessive thrus=
t forces and they effect the layshaft thrust washers as well as the layshaf=
t needle bearings. If you make torque and you have any end float for the la=
yshaft, you will spin the thrust washers and wreck the case. There are some=
workarounds to compensate for excessive end float.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Note too that because of torque multiplication, the layshaft needle beari=
ngs on the 1st gear end of the layshaft get beat really, really hard. One f=
ix is to install a double bearing on the layshaft (or buy a new one from Mo=
ss or another source) that is set up for the double bearing. I've had Q=
uantum Mechanics install the double bearings, they seem to work better than=
the stock setup. But even with that setup, the layshaft still gets pounded=
and you need to keep an eye on it.</div><div><br></div><div>As you may kno=
w, a lot of the racers are gravitating away from the stock and/or modified =
Triumph gearboxes mostly because the quality consistency of replacement par=
ts is all over the place and you need to know what you're getting to sp=
ot the differences. That said, frequent oil changes and paying attention to=
the detritus in the oil, you can stay ahead of problems.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>If you're going to build a good gearbox, it will cost you as mu=
ch or more than some of the conversions out there, hence a lot of folks swi=
tch to Toyota/T5/Rocket, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>Hopefully you'll=
get other good advice on this list, but that's where I'm at right =
now (too). The Quaife gearset in the TR gearbox seems like the most "v=
intage" solution, but ALL of the options have pluses and minuses. In t=
he spirit of full transparency, I'm also looking at Super T10 transmiss=
ions which are the same as the old Muncie "Rock Crusher" and ther=
e is a gearset available with a 2.43 1st, 1.63 2nd, 1.23 3rd and 1 4th whic=
h is pretty close to the Dolomite Sprint setup. And the gearbox is 70 pound=
s which is really close to the stock box. Also, if you want to dish out mor=
e $$$, Gear Vendors has an overdrive that bolts to the T-10, I haven't =
researched that enough to see if there are any particulars, but it is an op=
tion, albeit around $3k. But you get a BRAND NEW overdrive. Just sayin. A d=
rawback to the Super T10 is that you will need to make or source a bell hou=
sing, but that is do-able with a combo of a trashed TR gearbox, a competent=
machinist and more $$$. ;-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><di=
v>Bob Lang</div><div>339-927-4489<br></div><div><br></div>
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<div><div dir=3D"ltr">Amici <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">What=
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ource for getting such<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">I=E2=80=99m looking at the=
pros and cons of the straight cut gear set vs the close ratio gear set (I=
=E2=80=99m assuming the close ratio is still helical gears) <br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Please chime in with preferences and opinions <br></div><div di=
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