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Re: [Healeys] What did I do wrong?

To: Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] What did I do wrong?
From: Austin Healey <pajtamuvek@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 17:20:44 +0200
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I understand theese problems.
Most of the normal restorers also understand this, and try to offer some
kind of compensation. I think free accomodtaion and car transport based on
fuel price is worthwile help. The work can be made quite transparent with
good network communication. Although thrust in eachother cannot be taken
out of the system.
I dont know other areas well, but in my region quite wide range of
labour-quality is available. But there is a strong hi-end for nearly every
task. Although some needs to be travelled a bit more to get (like
sand-blasting). Only depends on the cost.

Gergo

2012/6/4 Oudesluys <coudesluijs@chello.nl>

>  Op 4-6-2012 13:40, Oudesluys schreef:
>
> Quite a few people here in the Netherlands have gone to Poland for their
> cars to be restored. Within our Het Jensen Genootschap Holland, the Dutch
> Jensen Club, several people took that road, however with varying results.
> Bodywork in general was OK, with some fitting issues but the finishing left
> a lot to be desired. Interior work was not the strongest point, painting
> mediocre and there was little attention to detail. Mechanical work was not
> carried out in these instances, so there is no opinion about that.
> The knowledge is generally there but the standard of workmanship, or what
> is acceptable, can be lower. As a client you have to travel regularly, e.g.
> twice monthly, to the firm carrying out the work, which will add
> considerably to the restoration costs if that is in Poland or Hungary for
> that matter, so at the end of the day it is not all that much cheaper than
> having a car restored locally which can be monitored much easier.
> The hourly rates in NL are from about 60 for proper restorers, so quite a
> difference, but if you have to travel to e.g. Hungary say once a month that
> is at least another 1000-1500 a month.
>
>
> I suppose in time the good businesses will stand out from the rest, like
> everywhere else in the world.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
> NL
>
>
>
> Op 4-6-2012 13:05, Austin Healey schreef:
>
> I understand this argument. To be honest I know what You are talking
> about. It is a legend that has some truth behind. Although there is a
> problem. I heard from different sources that the number of restorations
> done in the West is decreasing as with todays high hourly fees it is
> finantialy not rational to restore even a ar as valuable as a Healey in for
> example Switzerland. The labour itself can easily reach the value of the
> car. Add the parts, 2nd party jobs, restoration base etc.
> Here in the former eastern base there is a quite a few skilled, highbrow
> language speaking restorers, who would be able to produce good quality, and
> would happily accept 20euros/hour, which may be lower than normal western
> fees. How can theese get connected?
>
>  Gergo
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