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Re: [Healeys] Driving 100

To: jerry wall <jwbn6hrdtp@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Driving 100
From: Derek Job <derek.c.job@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 12:14:50 +0100
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Jerry,

What is the reasoning behind saying it should be 0 degrees for radial
tyres? Maybe that might be the case for flat, wide, low profile modern
tyres but I don't see why it should apply to the types of radials we use on
our cars.

Derek

On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:41 AM, jerry wall <jwbn6hrdtp@gmail.com> wrote:

> the original toe in specs were for bias ply tires. for radials the toe in
> should be 0 - straight ahead.  this can be confirmed at your local tire
> dealer's alignment machine.
> cheers,
> jerry
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Derek Job <derek.c.job@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob
>>
>> What do you mean by 'nominal' castor, camber and toe in? Toe in should be
>> 1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufacture and i can't
>> remember exactly what they are but I think they are mentioned in the shop
>> manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will have a big effect
>> on how the car feels.
>>
>> Derek
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM, <glemon@neb.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob, I think something is out of spec.  My 100, on 165/80 modern"ish"
>>> radials was very stable, would not describe the handling as squirrelly at
>>> all, a very relaxed and smooth riding car compared to most of the other mgs
>>> and Triumphs and such I have owned.
>>>
>>> The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off
>>> after I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done,
>>> coincidentally, a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in
>>> my mother's nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise
>>> adjustment.  The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even
>>> more inaccurate than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was
>>> squirrelly with the toe in off.
>>>
>>> Greg Lemon
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> > Listers,
>>> >
>>> > Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.  Car
>>> > tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat 'squirrelly' or
>>> > 'twitchy' to me.  I'm used to driving a BJ8 with oversize (6") wheels
>>> > and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.  I
>>> > would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to
>>> > really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.  We set up the
>>> > suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our
>>> tools
>>> > were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly
>>> > the caster).
>>> >
>>> > Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong,
>>> > or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,
>>> > you're supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels like it
>>> > has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?
>>> >
>>> > TIA,
>>> > Bob
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> --
> jerry wall  BN6
> rowlett, tx
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Jerry,<div><br></div><div style>What is the reasoning behi=
nd saying it should be 0 degrees for radial tyres? Maybe that might be the =
case for flat, wide, low profile modern tyres but I don&#39;t see why it sh=
ould apply to the types of radials we use on our cars.</div><div style><br>=
</div><div style>Derek</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 9:41 AM, jerry wall <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jwbn6hrdtp@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">jwbn6hrdt=
p@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">the original toe in specs were for bias ply tires. for radials th=
e toe in should be 0 - straight ahead. =C2=A0this can be confirmed at your =
local tire dealer&#39;s alignment machine.<div>cheers,</div><div>jerry</div=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Ju=
n 15, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Derek Job <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:de=
rek.c.job@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">derek.c.job@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob<div><br></di=
v><div>What do you mean by &#39;nominal&#39; castor, camber and toe in? Toe=
 in should be 1/8th of an inch. The other two are fixed at manufacture and =
i can&#39;t remember exactly what they are but I think they are mentioned i=
n the shop manual. If they are not correct, toe in and castor will have a b=
ig effect on how the car feels.</div><div><br></div><div>Derek</div></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div>On Mon, =
Jun 15, 2015 at 3:42 AM,  <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:glemon@ne=
b.rr.com" target=3D"_blank">glemon@neb.rr.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></di=
v></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Bob, I think something is =
out of spec.=C2=A0 My 100, on 165/80 modern&quot;ish&quot; radials was very=
 stable, would not describe the handling as squirrelly at all, a very relax=
ed and smooth riding car compared to most of the other mgs and Triumphs and=
 such I have owned.<br>
<br>
The one time I do remember it being squirrel was when the toe in was off af=
ter I set it by eyeball to drive it home after I had done, coincidentally, =
a steering box referb and tie and cross rod replacement in my mother&#39;s =
nearby garage and wanted to get it home for more precise adjustment.=C2=A0 =
The curves of the front fenders make the eyeball method even more inaccurat=
e than you would figure it to be, but anyway it was squirrelly with the toe=
 in off.<br>
<br>
Greg Lemon<br>
<div><div><br>
<br>
---- Bob Spidell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Listers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Finally had a chance to put some miles on our BN2/100M resto.=C2=A0 Ca=
r<br>
&gt; tracks straight and turns well but feels somewhat &#39;squirrelly&#39;=
 or<br>
&gt; &#39;twitchy&#39; to me.=C2=A0 I&#39;m used to driving a BJ8 with over=
size (6&quot;) wheels<br>
&gt; and 185/70 tires which feels like a land barge compared to the 100.=C2=
=A0 I<br>
&gt; would expect a 100 to be a lot more nimble than a BJ8, but you have to=
<br>
&gt; really stay on top of the car to stay out of the weeds.=C2=A0 We set u=
p the<br>
&gt; suspension ourselves, with nominal caster, camber and toe, but our too=
ls<br>
&gt; were somewhat crude and we may have screwed something up (particularly=
<br>
&gt; the caster).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Anyone driven both cars a lot, can tell me if something might be wrong=
,<br>
&gt; or do I just have to stay on top of this car at all times (I know,<br>
&gt; you&#39;re supposed to stay on top of ALL cars, but this one feels lik=
e it<br>
&gt; has no margin for sloppiness or inattentiveness at all)?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; TIA,<br>
&gt; Bob<br>
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