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Re: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes

To: John Rowe <john@jtkarowe.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 18:34:40 -0400
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With out any question the best bleeder I have ever used was the Snap-On
diaphragm brake bleeder that I have owned for at least 30 years. I don't
know if they are still available.
I had to make a special adaptor (using old ski book spring clips) to secure
it to a Healey brake fluid reservoir but it makes bleeding brakes a really
simple one person job which is fast and completely removes air from the
system.
Like most commenters I have found that the vacuum bleeders never produced
satisfactory results.
AND I never bleed the brakes in any particular order...:-)

Michael S
BN1 #174




On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:13 PM, John Rowe <john@jtkarowe.com.au> wrote:

> I have never had any luck with those vacuum bleeders, for that same reaso=
n
> of air entering through the thread of the bleeder screw. The bubbles neve=
r
> stop coming!  Always resort to the time honoured version of opening and
> closing screws
>
> John Rowe
>
> Qld Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Si=
mon
> Lachlan
> *Sent:* Saturday, 4 July 2015 9:06 PM
> *To:* 'Healey List'
> *Subject:* [Healeys] Bleeding brakes
>
>
>
> Bleeding the furthest brakes is all very well, but not infallible. ie it
> is =E2=80=9Cbest practise=E2=80=9D but, in itself does not guarantee succ=
ess. Many of us
> have been driven mad by spongy brakes after somehow failing to get all th=
e
> air out. I know that I have.
>
> I=E2=80=99ve got various manuals and one of my two BMC has this paragraph=
:-
>
>
>
> =E2=80=9CIf the bleeding of any cylinder continues without success for a
> considerable time it is
>
> possible that air is being drawn in past the bleeder screw threads. In
> such cases tighten
>
> the bleeder screw at the end of each downward stoke of the pedal and allo=
w
> the pedal to
>
> return fully before re-opening it. Close the bleeder screw finally during
> the last pedal
>
> application.=E2=80=9D
>
> ie you close the bleeder while fluid is still coming out. Messy, but it
> works. The theory is that the air gets past the thread as you close it.
> Fairly coarse threads. Pretty old bits of iron...plenty of wear.
>
>
>
> If you use an Eazibleed or similar, it becomes easier. Just open the
> bleeder a little and leave it open until the bubbles stop.
>
> Worth bearing in mind.
>
>
>
> Simon
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">With out any question the best bleeder I =
have ever used was the Snap-On diaphragm brake bleeder that I have owned fo=
r at least 30 years. I don&#39;t know if they are still available.<br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif=
;font-size:small">I had to make a special adaptor (using old ski book sprin=
g clips) to secure it to a Healey brake fluid reservoir but it makes bleedi=
ng brakes a really simple one person job which is fast and completely remov=
es air from the system.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Like most commenters I ha=
ve found that the vacuum bleeders never produced satisfactory results.<br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-s=
erif;font-size:small">AND I never bleed the brakes in any particular order.=
..:-)<br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic =
sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Michael S<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">BN1=
 #174<br><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:co=
mic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 6:13 PM, John=
 Rowe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:john@jtkarowe.com.au"; target=
=3D"_blank">john@jtkarowe.com.au</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-AU"><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">I have never had any luck w=
ith those vacuum bleeders, for that same reason of air entering through the=
 thread of the bleeder screw. The bubbles never stop coming!=C2=A0 Always r=
esort to the time honoured version of opening and closing screws<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">John Row=
e<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f49=
7d">Qld Australia<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=
=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@auto=
x.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Beh=
alf Of </b>Simon Lachlan<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 4 July 2015 9:06 PM<br><=
b>To:</b> &#39;Healey List&#39;<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Bleeding brake=
s<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:n=
one"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-=
GB">Bleeding the furthest brakes is all very well, but not infallible. ie i=
t is =E2=80=9Cbest practise=E2=80=9D but, in itself does not guarantee succ=
ess. Many of us have been driven mad by spongy brakes after somehow failing=
 to get all the air out. I know that I have.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB">I=E2=80=99ve got various manu=
als and one of my two BMC has this paragraph:-<u></u><u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB">=E2=80=9CIf the ble=
eding of any cylinder continues without success for a considerable time it =
is<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:n=
one"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-=
GB">possible that air is being drawn in past the bleeder screw threads. In =
such cases tighten<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRo=
man" lang=3D"EN-GB">the bleeder screw at the end of each downward stoke of =
the pedal and allow the pedal to<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fam=
ily:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB">return fully before re-opening it. Close =
the bleeder screw finally during the last pedal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRom=
an" lang=3D"EN-GB">application.=E2=80=9D<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">ie you close the bleeder while fluid is still coming out. Mes=
sy, but it works. The theory is that the air gets past the thread as you cl=
ose it. Fairly coarse threads. Pretty old bits of iron...plenty of wear.<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNew=
Roman" lang=3D"EN-GB">If you use an Eazibleed or similar, it becomes easier=
. Just open the bleeder a little and leave it open until the bubbles stop.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.=
0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB">Worth bearing in mind.<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;fo=
nt-family:TimesNewRoman" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:TimesNewRoma=
n" lang=3D"EN-GB">Simon</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
></span></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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