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Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, healeys@autox.team.net, Patrick & Caroline Quinn <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 19:14:26 +0200
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Expensive and an absolutely a waste of money. Cooling will suffer as it 
does not transfer heat as well as water (the main ingredient of coolant) 
and the heat capacity is lower. The only advantage is it will not boil 
but it does not cool the engine as well as ordinary coolant.

Anyway, you should correct the source of overheating which is the only 
proper way to go. Fighting the symptoms only is not going to work in the 
end.


Kees Oudesluijs



Op 3-6-2019 om 19:04 schreef Michael MacLean:
> You could always use Evans waterless coolant.  Then you wouln't have 
> to worry about overheating in traffic or anywhere.
> Mike MacLean
>
> Evans Waterless Coolant, Prevent Engine Overheating 
> <https://www.evanscoolant.com/>
>
>
>       
>
>
>     Evans Waterless Coolant, Prevent Engine Overheating
>
> Evans waterless coolant, the solution to engine overheating & 
> corrosion for classic cars, hot rods, muscle cars,...
>
> <https://www.evanscoolant.com/>
>
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>
> On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 11:40:04 PM PDT, Patrick & Caroline Quinn 
> <p_cquinn@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> Hello
>
> I agree with Kees, 190°F is no big deal. The gauges fitted to 
> Austin-Healeys read to 230°F and when the needle goes past that is 
> when you should start worrying.
>
> Hoo Roo
>
> Patrick Quinn
>
> Blue Mountains, Australia
>
> *From:*Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Kees Oudesluijs
> *Sent:* Monday, 3 June 2019 4:22 PM
> *To:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Subject: Re: alum radiator swap
>
> 190°F is no big deal, boiling point is well over 212°F. However check 
> the accuracy of the thermometer to be sure of a correct reading.
>
> Kees Oudesluijs
>
> Op 3-6-2019 om 02:46 schreef Albert Seminatore:
>
>     Thought I'd share my experience with the alum radiator.
>
>     First I had the OEM radiator boiled cleaned etc..  Then I put in a
>     flex fan.  Finally a 160 degree F thermostat.
>
>         Results: Helped a bit but in the summer and in the desert the
>     temp went to almost 190F.
>
>     Talked to someone who had an alum. in his MGTD.  Said it gave him
>     20% increase in cooling.  So being foolish I bought one.
>
>     Results:  Absolutely NO change.  Well it lightened my pocket book.
>
>     Recently talked to a man who made a shroud for his healey and
>     claimed it made a big difference alng with his Texas Fan (6 bladed).
>
>     Results:  I started to make the shroud BUT. The fan is not
>     centered on the radiator. The fan is 1 inch to the left of the
>     radiator.  So the plans for a shroud isn't going to work as is.
>
>     Questions:  Is the motor incorrectly mounted causing the offset?
>
>                 If I put in an electric fan is it best to remove the
>     flex fan completely?
>
>     Would a four core radiator be of any help?
>
>                     Should I ignore my fear and let the temp 
> go to
>     190F without a worry?
>
>     I live in the desert and have to go over a 5000 foot mountain to
>     get to Las Vegas.
>
>     Thanks.............. Al
>
>
>     -- 
>
>     Albert Seminatore
>
>     Mountain Falls, Pahrump, NV
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    <p>Expensive and an absolutely a waste of money. Cooling will suffer
      as it does not transfer heat as well as water (the main ingredient
      of coolant) and the heat capacity is lower. The only advantage is
      it will not boil but it does not cool the engine as well as
      ordinary coolant.</p>
    <p>Anyway, you should correct the source of overheating which is the
      only proper way to go. Fighting the symptoms only is not going to
      work in the end.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
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          <div> On Sunday, June 2, 2019, 11:40:04 PM PDT, Patrick &amp;
            Caroline Quinn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" 
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                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;">I agree with Kees, 190°F
                      is no big deal. The gauges fitted to
                      Austin-Healeys read to </span>230°F and when the
                    needle goes past that is when you should start
                    worrying.</p>
                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">  </p>
                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Hoo Roo</p>
                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">  </p>
                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn</p>
                  <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Blue Mountains,
                    Australia<span style="font-size:11.0pt;"></span></p>
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                            Healeys
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                              Behalf Of </b>Kees Oudesluijs<br
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                    <p>190°F is no big deal, boiling point is well over
                      212°F. However check the accuracy of the
                      thermometer to be sure of a correct reading.</p>
                    <p>Kees Oudesluijs</p>
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                      <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Op 3-6-2019 om
                        02:46 schreef Albert Seminatore:</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Thought I'd
                            share my experience with the alum radiator.<br
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">First I had
                            the OEM radiator boiled cleaned etc..  Then
                            I put in a flex fan.  Finally a 160 degree F
                            thermostat.</p>
                        </div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">    Results:
                            Helped a bit but in the summer and in the
                            desert the temp went to almost 190F.</p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">  </p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Talked to
                            someone who had an alum. in his MGTD.  Said
                            it gave him 20% increase in cooling.  So
                            being foolish I bought one. </p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">   
                            Results:  Absolutely NO change.  Well it
                            lightened my pocket book.</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">  </p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Recently
                            talked to a man who made a shroud for his
                            healey and claimed it made a big difference
                            alng with his Texas Fan (6 bladed).</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">    
                            Results:  I started to make the shroud BUT. 
                            The fan is not centered on the radiator.  
                            The fan is 1 inch to the left of the
                            radiator.  So the plans for a shroud isn't
                            going to work as is.</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">  </p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">     
                            Questions:  Is the motor incorrectly mounted
                            causing the offset? </p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">           
                                        If I put in an electric fan is
                            it best to remove the flex fan completely?</p>
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                          <p 
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                            Would a four core radiator be of any help?</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">       
                                            Should I ignore my 
fear and
                            let the temp go to 190F without a worry?</p>
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                          <p class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">I live in
                            the desert and have to go over a 5000 foot
                            mountain to get to Las Vegas.</p>
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                          <p 
class="yiv7708788296MsoNormal">Thanks..............   
                            Al</p>
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