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To: "'Michael MacLean'" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, "'Healeys'" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Wednesday Rant
From: "Mirek Sharp" <m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca>
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:52:05 -0500
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Assuming the setup is the same as my BT7, the shims go between the =
distance piece and the outer bearing.  The heavy washer goes on the =
outside of the bearing.  If you are putting the shims on the outside of =
the outer bearing, they will not do anything (other than make you see =
stars).  The idea is to increase/decrease the distance between the inner =
and outer bearings so that they run freely on the outer races with no =
play and no pre-load.  I only have 2-3 shims each side.  If you are =
assembling in the correct order, the number of shims indicates something =
else is wrong, perhaps a bearing not seater correctly,  outer races not =
seater properly, a PO buggering up the distance piece =E2=80=93 any =
number of issues.  If  the setup on the BN2 is substantially different =
to the BT7, I am sure someone on the list will reveal my ignorance, and =
you can ignore my advice.

=20

Hope it all goes better tomorrow!=20

=20

Mirek

=20

From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Michael MacLean
Sent: December-11-19 4:43 AM
To: Healeys
Subject: [Healeys] Wednesday Rant

=20

     I'd like to say fitting the splined hubs to the front spindles of =
this disc brake conversion for my BN2 has got me seeing stars.  I did =
not take it apart, so I have no idea what to start with for the number =
or size of shims to torque it down with 40-70 ft lbs and still have free =
rotation but no end play.  I started out with one .020 shim added to one =
.030, added to one .010 added to one .005 and one .003 shim.   A total =
of 5 shims.  The hub locks up at 40 ft lbs of torque on the nut, so I =
added an identical stack on top of the first five shims.  We are talking =
.136 thickness in shims total and it still locks up at 40 ft lbs.  This =
is where I stopped at about midnight last night.  I had enough for =
tonight.  I am going back after it tomorrow, but I am running out of =
shims.  I have to order more to do the passenger side.  Nobody told me =
how many shims I might need when putting this together with all new =
parts and never having disassembled it in the first place.  By the way, =
the instructions that a few of you on the list gave me for soing this =
job had me a little confuse.  The illustration of the two bearings, =
distance piece, shims, tabbed washer and castellated nut assembled =
without the splined hub for illustration purposes has an arrow at the =
bottom of the illustration pointed at the surfaces between the distance =
piece and the inside of the out bearing race.  It says 12 shims here!  =
You can clearly see in the picture the shims directly behind the tabbed =
washer.  I started saying bad words when I saw that.  I still have at =
least two of every size shim left, but I ma not sure even that will be =
enough.  I can tell you one thing,  if I ever have to turn the rotors =
again in the future, you can damn bet they will be turned in place.  =
There, I feel better now. (Not really!)

Mie MacLean


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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Assuming =
the setup is the same as my BT7, the shims go between the distance piece =
and the outer bearing.=C2=A0 The heavy washer goes on the outside of the =
bearing.=C2=A0 If you are putting the shims on the outside of the outer =
bearing, they will not do anything (other than make you see =
stars).=C2=A0 The idea is to increase/decrease the distance between the =
inner and outer bearings so that they run freely on the outer races with =
no play and no pre-load.=C2=A0 I only have 2-3 shims each side.=C2=A0 If =
you are assembling in the correct order, the number of shims indicates =
something else is wrong, perhaps a bearing not seater correctly,=C2=A0 =
outer races not seater properly, a PO buggering up the distance piece =
=E2=80=93 any number of issues.=C2=A0 If=C2=A0 the setup on the BN2 is =
substantially different to the BT7, I am sure someone on the list will =
reveal my ignorance, and you can ignore my =
advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hope it =
all goes better tomorrow! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mirek<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Healeys =
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael =
MacLean<br><b>Sent:</b> December-11-19 4:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> [Healeys] Wednesday =
Rant<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'd like to say fitting the =
splined hubs to the front spindles of this disc brake conversion for my =
BN2 has got me seeing stars.&nbsp; I did not take it apart, so I have no =
idea what to start with for the number or size of shims to torque it =
down with 40-70 ft lbs and still have free rotation but no end =
play.&nbsp; I started out with one .020 shim added to one .030, added to =
one .010 added to one .005 and one .003 shim.&nbsp;&nbsp; A total of 5 =
shims.&nbsp; The hub locks up at 40 ft lbs of torque on the nut, so I =
added an identical stack on top of the first five shims.&nbsp; We are =
talking .136 thickness in shims total and it still locks up at 40 ft =
lbs.&nbsp; This is where I stopped at about midnight last night.&nbsp; I =
had enough for tonight.&nbsp; I am going back after it tomorrow, but I =
am running out of shims.&nbsp; I have to order more to do the passenger =
side.&nbsp; Nobody told me how many shims I might need when putting this =
together with all new parts and never having disassembled it in the =
first place.&nbsp; By the way, the instructions that a few of you on the =
list gave me for soing this job had me a little confuse.&nbsp; The =
illustration of the two bearings, distance piece, shims, tabbed washer =
and castellated nut assembled without the splined hub for illustration =
purposes has an arrow at the bottom of the illustration pointed at the =
surfaces between the distance piece and the inside of the out bearing =
race.&nbsp; It says 12 shims here!&nbsp; You can clearly see in the =
picture the shims directly behind the tabbed washer.&nbsp; I started =
saying bad words when I saw that.&nbsp; I still have at least two of =
every size shim left, but I ma not sure even that will be enough.&nbsp; =
I can tell you one thing,&nbsp; if I ever have to turn the rotors again =
in the future, you can damn bet they will be turned in place.&nbsp; =
There, I feel better now. (Not really!)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Mie =
MacLean<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>
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