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Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers

To: David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 14:11:24 -0500
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Nice idea David, how much are they?

M


On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:12 AM David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com> wrote:

> These washers were there to help distribute the pressure on the timing
> cover
> gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=E2=
=80=99t
> work
> as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover
> completely
> on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the
> oval
> washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.
>
>
>
> David Nock
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> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM
> To: pdzwig@summaventures.com ; gradea1@charter.net ; 'Michael Salter'
> Cc: 'healeylist'
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
>
> For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.
>  I
> have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6
> October, 1959.  Dispatch date was 13 October.  That was for the car, and
> they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it
> ties
> it down fairly closely.
>
> Cheers, Mirek
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig
> Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM
> To: gradea1@charter.net; 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
>
> Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank's
> mail.
>
> It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine
> stamps don't necessarily reflect build order.
>
> Peter
>
> On 03/01/2021 21:21, gradea1@charter.net wrote:
> >
> > I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier
> > punching out these washers for the British auto industry using
> > different jigs. Back then they didn't care what the shape was, but
> > they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and
> > match was the order of the day.
> >
> > Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard
> > Lord:  After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.
> > Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to
> > automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord
> > decreed:
> > "Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in." So many
> > materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and
> > profits.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Michael Salter"
> > To: "Skip Saunders"
> > Cc: "healeylist"
> > Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM
> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail
> >
> > Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..
> >
> > image.png
> > As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the
> > same) are absolutely parallel.
> > It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off
> > individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and
> > really ... would anyone go to that much effort?
> >
> >
> > image.png
> > Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to
> > size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.
> >
> > I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things
> > but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think
> > about these things. :-)
> >
> > I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things
> > but this has me stumped.
> >
> > Please ... help me get a good night's sleep.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders <tfsbj7@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Judging by the curvature of the washers, the five appear to be of
> >     the original manufactured type.  The two appear to be regular
> >     washers that have been ground down to fit in the narrow channel.  D=
o
> >     you see the same disparity among washers in the oil pan (it too use=
s
> >     those types of narrow channel compatible washers I believe.)
> >     Thanks
> >     -skip-
> >
> >     On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter
> >     <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >         I'm working on an early 3000 engine and have found these 2
> >         different types of
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Nice idea David, how much are they?</div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;=
font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-famil=
y:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br=
></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:12 AM David Nock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hea=
leydoc@gmail.com">healeydoc@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">These washers were there to help distr=
ibute the pressure on the timing cover <br>
gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=E2=80=
=99t work <br>
as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover completel=
y <br>
on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the ova=
l <br>
washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David Nock<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcg=
lobal.net</a><br>
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@sympatico.ca</a><br>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:pdzwig@summaventures.com"; target=3D"_blank">pdzwig@su=
mmaventures.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">gradea1@charter.net</a> ; &#39;Michael Salter&#39;<br>
Cc: &#39;healeylist&#39;<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0I <br>
have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6 <br>
October, 1959.=C2=A0 Dispatch date was 13 October.=C2=A0 That was for the c=
ar, and <br>
they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it ties=
 <br>
it down fairly closely.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Mirek<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig=
<br>
Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank">gradea1@charte=
r.net</a>; &#39;Michael Salter&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &#39;healeylist&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank&#39;s =
mail.<br>
<br>
It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine <b=
r>
stamps don&#39;t necessarily reflect build order.<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
On 03/01/2021 21:21, <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">gradea1@charter.net</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier=
<br>
&gt; punching out these washers for the British auto industry using<br>
&gt; different jigs. Back then they didn&#39;t care what the shape was, but=
<br>
&gt; they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and<=
br>
&gt; match was the order of the day.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard<br=
>
&gt; Lord:=C2=A0 After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.<b=
r>
&gt; Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to<br=
>
&gt; automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord=
 <br>
&gt; decreed:<br>
&gt; &quot;Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in.&quot; So man=
y<br>
&gt; materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and=
 <br>
&gt; profits.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----------------------------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Michael Salter&quot;<br>
&gt; To: &quot;Skip Saunders&quot;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;healeylist&quot;<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the<br>
&gt; same) are absolutely parallel.<br>
&gt; It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off<br>
&gt; individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and<br=
>
&gt; really ... would anyone go to that much effort?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to=
<br>
&gt; size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things<b=
r>
&gt; but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think<=
br>
&gt; about these things. :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things=
<br>
&gt; but this has me stumped.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Please ... help me get a good night&#39;s sleep.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; M<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tfs=
bj7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tfsbj7@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Judging by the curvature of the washers, the five a=
ppear to be of<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the original manufactured type.=C2=A0 The two appea=
r to be regular<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0washers that have been ground down to fit in the na=
rrow channel.=C2=A0 Do<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you see the same disparity among washers in the oil=
 pan (it too uses<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0those types of narrow channel compatible washers I =
believe.)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-skip-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter<br>
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et=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m working on an early 3000 engi=
ne and have found these 2<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0different types of<br>
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