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Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers

To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
From: Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:01:20 -0500
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I installed one of David Nock's "timing cover reinforcing ring" last year
while replacing the belt and for the first time was able to seal up
persistent oil leaks from around the cover.
Easy install and well worth the price and effort involved.

Best--Michael Oritt

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Nice idea David, how much are they?
>
> M
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:12 AM David Nock <healeydoc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These washers were there to help distribute the pressure on the timing
>> cover
>> gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=E2=
=80=99t
>> work
>> as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover
>> completely
>> on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the
>> oval
>> washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.
>>
>>
>>
>> David Nock
>> healeydoc@sbcglobal.net
>> 209 948 8767
>> www.britishcarspecialists.com
>>
>> Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the
>> British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites
>> by visiting the site at.
>> www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca
>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM
>> To: pdzwig@summaventures.com ; gradea1@charter.net ; 'Michael Salter'
>> Cc: 'healeylist'
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
>>
>> For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.
>>  I
>> have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6
>> October, 1959.  Dispatch date was 13 October.  That was for the car, and
>> they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it
>> ties
>> it down fairly closely.
>>
>> Cheers, Mirek
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig
>> Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM
>> To: gradea1@charter.net; 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 'healeylist' <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers
>>
>> Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank's
>> mail.
>>
>> It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine
>> stamps don't necessarily reflect build order.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 03/01/2021 21:21, gradea1@charter.net wrote:
>> >
>> > I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier
>> > punching out these washers for the British auto industry using
>> > different jigs. Back then they didn't care what the shape was, but
>> > they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and
>> > match was the order of the day.
>> >
>> > Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard
>> > Lord:  After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.
>> > Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to
>> > automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord
>> > decreed:
>> > "Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in." So many
>> > materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and
>> > profits.
>> >
>> > Hank
>> >
>> > -----------------------------------------
>> >
>> > From: "Michael Salter"
>> > To: "Skip Saunders"
>> > Cc: "healeylist"
>> > Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail
>> >
>> > Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..
>> >
>> > image.png
>> > As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the
>> > same) are absolutely parallel.
>> > It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off
>> > individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and
>> > really ... would anyone go to that much effort?
>> >
>> >
>> > image.png
>> > Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to
>> > size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.
>> >
>> > I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things
>> > but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think
>> > about these things. :-)
>> >
>> > I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things
>> > but this has me stumped.
>> >
>> > Please ... help me get a good night's sleep.
>> >
>> > M
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders <tfsbj7@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >     Judging by the curvature of the washers, the five appear to be of
>> >     the original manufactured type.  The two appear to be regular
>> >     washers that have been ground down to fit in the narrow channel.  =
Do
>> >     you see the same disparity among washers in the oil pan (it too us=
es
>> >     those types of narrow channel compatible washers I believe.)
>> >     Thanks
>> >     -skip-
>> >
>> >     On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter
>> >     <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >         I'm working on an early 3000 engine and have found these 2
>> >         different types of
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I ins=
talled one of David Nock&#39;s &quot;timing cover reinforcing ring&quot; la=
st year while replacing the belt and for the first time was able to seal up=
 persistent oil leaks from around the cover.</div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Easy install and well worth the price and effor=
t involved.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Ori=
tt=C2=A0</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=
=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:26 PM Michael Salter &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<=
br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot=
;,sans-serif;font-size:small">Nice idea David, how much are they?</div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,san=
s-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div>=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:&quot;comic sans ms&quot;=
,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:12 AM Davi=
d Nock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healeyd=
oc@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddin=
g-left:1ex">These washers were there to help distribute the pressure on the=
 timing cover <br>
gasket and help seal. Over the years the cover distorts and they don=E2=80=
=99t work <br>
as well. So we have made a ring that goes around the timing cover completel=
y <br>
on the 100 and the bottom 2/3 of the 6 cylinder motors. It replaces the ova=
l <br>
washers and helps stop the seeping of the timing cover gaskets.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
David Nock<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:healeydoc@sbcglobal.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeydoc@sbcg=
lobal.net</a><br>
209 948 8767<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.britishcarspecialists.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">www.britishcarspecialists.com</a><br>
<br>
Help us have our Founder Norman Nock inducteed into the<br>
British Sportscar Hall of Fame, You can vote for your favorites<br>
by visiting the site at.<br>
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-----Original Message----- <br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:m.g.sharp@sympatico.ca"; target=3D"_blank">m.g.sharp=
@sympatico.ca</a><br>
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 4:50 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:pdzwig@summaventures.com"; target=3D"_blank">pdzwig@su=
mmaventures.com</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">gradea1@charter.net</a> ; &#39;Michael Salter&#39;<br>
Cc: &#39;healeylist&#39;<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
For the record, I am pretty sure it is my motor that Mike is working on.=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0I <br>
have a Heritage Certificate which gives the build date as 29 Sept to 6 <br>
October, 1959.=C2=A0 Dispatch date was 13 October.=C2=A0 That was for the c=
ar, and <br>
they may have had motors built up and waiting for installation, but it ties=
 <br>
it down fairly closely.<br>
<br>
Cheers, Mirek<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of Peter Dzwig=
<br>
Sent: January 4, 2021 5:28 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blank">gradea1@charte=
r.net</a>; &#39;Michael Salter&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: &#39;healeylist&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine washers<br>
<br>
Completely agree. See my comment which was posted before I read Hank&#39;s =
mail.<br>
<br>
It really would be interesting to have dates for the engines, but engine <b=
r>
stamps don&#39;t necessarily reflect build order.<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
On 03/01/2021 21:21, <a href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">gradea1@charter.net</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I agree with Ira-production shortage-there were more than one supplier=
<br>
&gt; punching out these washers for the British auto industry using<br>
&gt; different jigs. Back then they didn&#39;t care what the shape was, but=
<br>
&gt; they desperately needed to ship cars to recover from the war. Mix and<=
br>
&gt; match was the order of the day.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here is a quote from my article about Austin from BMC Chief Leonard<br=
>
&gt; Lord:=C2=A0 After the war, the economy in Britain was also in ruins.<b=
r>
&gt; Efforts by the government to improve it, only added restrictions to<br=
>
&gt; automobile manufacturing. It was a desperate time for Austin, and Lord=
 <br>
&gt; decreed:<br>
&gt; &quot;Get the stuff in by hook or crook...just get it in.&quot; So man=
y<br>
&gt; materials were in demand but the scarce supply affected production and=
 <br>
&gt; profits.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Hank<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----------------------------------------<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; From: &quot;Michael Salter&quot;<br>
&gt; To: &quot;Skip Saunders&quot;<br>
&gt; Cc: &quot;healeylist&quot;<br>
&gt; Sent: Sunday January 3 2021 12:54:26PM<br>
&gt; Subject: Re: [Healeys] 6 cylinder engine detail<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Good observation Skip and one that made me go back and look again ..<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; As you can see the sides of one of the 2 odd washers (both are the<br>
&gt; same) are absolutely parallel.<br>
&gt; It would take someone with a lot of skill to shear the sides off<br>
&gt; individually to achieve that degree of accuracy on both washers and<br=
>
&gt; really ... would anyone go to that much effort?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; image.png<br>
&gt; Additionally the washers have been punched out, not ground or filed to=
<br>
&gt; size as is evident from the shear marks on the sides.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I realize that this is totally insignificant in the scheme of things<b=
r>
&gt; but being a very poor sleeper I tend to stay awake at night and think<=
br>
&gt; about these things. :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I have found that there is usually a good explanation for these things=
<br>
&gt; but this has me stumped.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Please ... help me get a good night&#39;s sleep.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; M<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:28 PM Skip Saunders &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tfs=
bj7@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tfsbj7@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Judging by the curvature of the washers, the five a=
ppear to be of<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the original manufactured type.=C2=A0 The two appea=
r to be regular<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0washers that have been ground down to fit in the na=
rrow channel.=C2=A0 Do<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you see the same disparity among washers in the oil=
 pan (it too uses<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0those types of narrow channel compatible washers I =
believe.)<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-skip-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 12:57 PM Michael Salter<br>
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et=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m working on an early 3000 engi=
ne and have found these 2<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0different types of<br>
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