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To: "'Michael Salter'" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] 100 water pumps
From: Henry G Leach via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 20:26:56 +0000 BDEaDE43v4w38rfbAnzlgilrqT0e6HfSFTBWtaP4F8aMxGGK+KoIacDUfaUC3hO1hAWru4zTI58Ef2cColUmPzNm5VMsedDy84EB2rxhOF2msfb9iGUhRjo8
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A great machinist, and friend of mine, rebuilt my 100 water pump with=0A=
a common argicultrial equipment seal and I believe a Delrin plastic=0Abu=
sh. Its rock solid. Hank=0A=0A=09---------------------------------------=
--From: "Michael Salter" =0ATo: "S and T Miller"=0ACc: "healeys@autox.te=
am.net"=0ASent: Saturday March 6 2021 12:11:31PM=0ASubject: Re: [Healeys=
] 100 water pumps=0A=0A  Titled pic =0A=0A On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:59 P=
M Michael Salter  wrote:=0A   There are 3 main parts to the original sea=
l system. Photo attached.=0A The hard thing to find is the seal diaphrag=
m.=0A The sealing medium itself is a carbon block which runs directly=0A=
against a face of the cast iron body casting. The carbon block is=0Aloca=
ted in a bronze "holder" on top of the diaphragm seal. The bronze=0Ahold=
er is driven by splines on the impellor which wear badly in use.=0A I ha=
ve successfully rebuilt a number of lower mileage originals but=0Aparts=
 are really hard to find these days.=0A M=0A=0A On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2=
:35 PM S and T Miller  wrote:=0A   Looking forward to hearing your resul=
ts of using it, in the car.=0AWhat is the original seal material made of=
? It's not metallic, and=0Afeels like plastic or really hard rubber. I w=
as thinking using valve=0Alapping paste could recondition the mating sur=
faces that isn't too far=0Agone? =0A=0A The Millers=0A=0A "Always drive=
 them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a=0Atest drive."=0A=
=0A-------------------------=0AFROM: Michael Salter =0ASENT: Saturday, M=
arch 6, 2021 11:10 AM=0ATO: S and T Miller =0ACC: healeys@autox.team.net=
 =0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] 100 water pumps     No I left the seal out bu=
t=0Aleft the holder to maintain the bearing spacing.  On one of the othe=
rs=0AI deleted the holder and turned up a longer bearing spacer to=0Acom=
pensate for the additional space. =0A M  =0A On Sat., Mar. 6, 2021, 10:1=
6 a.m. S and T Miller,  wrote:=0A   That is awesome. Is that a pool pump=
 seal? Mine is the first one I=0Aever pulled apart, but I assume the oth=
er inner seal is simply to=0Acontain the bearing grease. Since you are u=
sing sealed bearings, did=0Ayou still use that seal? =0A=0A The Millers=
=0A=0A "Always drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is=
 a=0Atest drive."=0A=0A-------------------------=0AFROM: Michael Salter=
 =0ASENT: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:57 AM=0ATO: S and T Miller =0ACC: he=
aleys@autox.team.net =0ASUBJECT: Re: [Healeys] 100 water pumps     After=
 a couple of premature=0Afailures of repro 100 water pumps I decided to=
 look into rebuilding=0Athem with a modern seal and sealed bearings. I h=
ave some concerns=0Aabout the small size of the annulus through which al=
l the coolant must=0Apass in the original design so I have managed to in=
stall a=0Aconsiderably smaller seal as in the pics attached.  After benc=
h=0Atesting one of the prototypes is now fitted to my car awaiting a tes=
t=0Adrive as soon as the snow is gone.  =0A On Fri., Mar. 5, 2021, 11:13=
 p.m. S and T Miller via Healeys,  wrote:=0A   What's the skinny on the=
 repo 100 water pumps? Hear they leak and=0Aneed broken in dry. Uprated=
 pump any good? Moss states the brass tap=0Acan be screwed into the upra=
ted pump, but from the pictures it=0Aactually looks like the standard ha=
s threads and not the uprated. Can=0Aanyone confirm? Rebuild original?Th=
oughts/ advice welcomed? TY, Shawn =0A The Millers=0A=0A "Always drive t=
hem, but remember each drive in an antique car is a=0Atest drive."=0A  _=
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<html><body>A great machinist, and friend of mine, rebuilt my 100 water=
 pump with a common argicultrial equipment seal and I believe a Delrin p=
lastic bush. Its rock solid. Hank<br><br><div class=3D"reply-new-signatu=
re"></div><p>-----------------------------------------</p>From: "Michael=
 Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com><br>To: "S and T Miller"<br>Cc: "heale=
ys@autox.team.net"<br>Sent: Saturday March 6 2021 12:11:31PM<br>Subject:=
 Re: [Healeys] 100 water pumps<br><br>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms', sans-serif;font=
-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;">Titled pic<=
/span></div>=0A<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic=
 sans ms', sans-serif;font-size:small;"><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Ma=
r 6, 2021 at 2:59 PM=0AMichael Salter &lt;<a>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;=0Awrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex;">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">=0A<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;">There are 3=
 main parts to the=0Aoriginal seal system. Photo attached.<br></span></d=
iv>=0A<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;">The hard thing to find is the seal=
=0Adiaphragm.<br></span></div>=0A<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"f=
ont-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;">The seal=
ing medium itself is a=0Acarbon block which runs directly against a face=
 of the cast iron=0Abody casting. The carbon block is located in a bronz=
e "holder" on=0Atop of the diaphragm seal.</span></div>=0A<div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:ari=
al, sans-serif;">The bronze holder is driven by=0Asplines on the impello=
r which wear badly in use.<br></span></div>=0A<div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-ser=
if;">I have successfully rebuilt a number=0Aof lower mileage originals b=
ut parts are really hard to find these=0Adays.<br></span></div>=0A<div c=
lass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:'comic sans ms', sans-serif;=
font-size:small;"><span style=3D"font-family:arial, sans-serif;">M</span=
><br></div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=0A<div dir=3D"ltr=
" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:35 PM S=0Aand T Miller &=
lt;<a>stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div>=0A<div>Looking forward to=
 hearing your results of using it, in the=0Acar. What is the original se=
al material made of?&nbsp; It's not=0Ametallic, and feels like plastic o=
r really hard rubber. I was=0Athinking using valve lapping paste could r=
econdition the mating=0Asurfaces that isn't too far gone?</div>=0A<div><=
br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>The Millers<br>=0A&nbsp;<br>=0A"Alway=
s drive them, but remember each drive in an antique car is a=0Atest driv=
e."<br></div>=0A<hr style=3D"width:98%;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D=
"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From=
:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a>michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:<=
/b> Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> S and T Miller &lt;<a=
>stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net<=
/a> &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healey=
s] 100 water pumps</font>=0A<div>&nbsp;</div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">No I left the=0Aseal out but left=
 the holder to maintain the bearing=0Aspacing.&nbsp;</span>=0A<div><span=
 style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;">On one of the=0Aothers I&nbsp; delete=
d the holder and turned up a longer bearing=0Aspacer to compensate for t=
he additional space.</span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-family:sans=
-serif;"><br></span></div>=0A<div><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;=
">M</span></div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div>=0A<div dir=3D"ltr">On Sat., Mar. 6=
, 2021, 10:16 a.m. S and T Miller,=0A&lt;<a>stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;">=0A<div>=0A<div>Tha=
t is awesome.&nbsp; Is that a pool pump seal? Mine is the=0Afirst one I=
 ever pulled apart, but I assume the other inner seal is=0Asimply to con=
tain the bearing grease. Since you are using sealed=0Abearings, did you=
 still use that seal?</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>T=
he Millers<br>=0A&nbsp;<br>=0A"Always drive them, but remember each driv=
e in an antique car is a=0Atest drive."<br></div>=0A<hr style=3D"width:9=
8%;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><font style=3D"font-size:11pt;" face=3D"Calibri, s=
ans-serif" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a>michaels=
alter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:57 AM<=
br><b>To:</b> S and T Miller &lt;<a>stmiller96@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc:</b> <a>healeys@autox.team.net</a> &lt;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] 100 water pumps</font>=0A<div>&nbs=
p;</div>=0A</div>=0A<div>=0A<div>After a couple of premature failures of=
 repro 100=0Awater pumps I decided to look into rebuilding them with a m=
odern=0Aseal and sealed bearings.=0A<div>I have some concerns about the=
 small size of the=0Aannulus through which all the coolant must pass in=
 the original=0Adesign so I have managed to install a considerably small=
er seal as=0Ain the pics attached.&nbsp;</div>=0A<div>After bench testin=
g one of the prototypes is now=0Afitted to my car awaiting a test drive=
 as soon as the snow is=0Agone.</div>=0A</div>=0A<br><div>=0A<div dir=3D=
"ltr">On Fri., Mar. 5, 2021, 11:13 p.m. S and T Miller via=0AHealeys, &l=
t;<a>healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div>=0A<blockquote style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px .8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);paddi=
ng-left:1ex;">=0A<div>=0A<div>What's the skinny on the repo 100 water pu=
mps? Hear they leak=0Aand need broken in dry. Uprated pump any good? Mos=
s states the=0Abrass tap can be screwed into the uprated pump, but from=
 the=0Apictures it actually looks like the standard has threads and not=
=0Athe uprated. Can anyone confirm? Rebuild original?Thoughts/ advice=0A=
welcomed?</div>=0A<div>TY, Shawn</div>=0A<div><br></div>=0A<div>The Mill=
ers<br>=0A&nbsp;<br>=0A"Always drive them, but remember each drive in an=
 antique car is a=0Atest drive."<br></div>=0A</div>=0A__________________=
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