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Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake

To: BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake
From: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:58:50 -0700
Cc: healeys <Healeys@autox.team.net>
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FWIW, our =E2=80=9865 Mustang convertible had =E2=80=98scuttle shake=E2=80=99=
 as bad as my Healeys. My dad was a factory rep for Ford back then, and he s=
aid they all did.

Hagerty magazine has a big write-up on E-Types this month and news to me was=
 that the Jag had a partially tubular chassis, which is likely stiffer than H=
ealeys.=E2=80=99

> On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:52 PM, BJ8Healeys <sbyers@ec.rr.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> Well, first of all the structures are different between the E-type and the=
 BJ8.  The purpose of the structural mod to the firewall is to stiffen it to=
 increase its natural vibration frequency.  I did that mod and noticed the d=
ifference, but it didn=E2=80=99t remove all of the shake.  Allen Hendrix did=
 his magic by balancing and truing the wheels and shaving the tires.  It rem=
oved almost all of the shake, and balancing the drums did the rest.  I consi=
der myself lucky to live close enough to Allen that I can take the car to hi=
m when necessary.
> =20
> Steve Byers
> HBJ8L/36666
> BJ8 Registry
> AHCA Delegate at Large
> Havelock, NC=20
> =20
> From: Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom Fel=
ts
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 1:56 PM
> To: rfbegani@gmail.com
> Cc: 'healeys'
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake
> =20
> I have no scuttle shake on my 66 E-Type OTS and it is smooth as silk at al=
l speeds. Why would a Healey or any car be any different? If this was a func=
tion of the tires, would'nt we see tires being shaved on many different cars=
? I have this strange suspicion it is unique to the Healey.
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rfbegani@gmail.com
> To: 'Team.net' <lawrence.swift@gmail.com>, 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter=
@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'healeys' <Healeys@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake
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> https://tinyurl.com/jnd85dvk   Youtube showing how they do it on the car a=
nd the equipment.
> =20
> From: rfbegani@gmail.com <rfbegani@gmail.com>=20
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 12:57 PM
> To: 'Team.net' <lawrence.swift@gmail.com>; 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter=
@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'healeys' <Healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: "SS" aka--scuttle shake
> =20
> I had the tires shaved and balanced and the tech marked each tire as to th=
e position the car.  The best were on the front right left and the worst wer=
e rear right and left.  Did not balance brake drums or anything else.  Now o=
nly a little shake which is acceptable.  Best $200 I ever spent on my BJ8, a=
long with the new Michelin 180 tires which cost a little more.
> =20
> Hard to find a garage which has the equipment.  You need to do an in-depth=
 search for Shaving Tires Near Me.  Fortunately, I found a great guy with th=
e original equipment 2 hours drive across the state of Florida.  Note, you m=
ay find garages listed that only have equipment for Truck Tires.
> =20
> Bob Begani
> Punta Gorda Florida
> =20
> From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Team.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
> Cc: healeys <Healeys@autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Healeys] BJ8---clutch and "SS" aka--scuttle shake
> =20
> Agreed, I had the tires shaved and the rear brake drums balanced - now no s=
cuttle shake.
> =20
>=20
> On Jul 8, 2021, at 09:16, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BF
> =20
> Second------for the years I have had this car, I have hated the dreaded sc=
uttle shake.  I have balanced all wheels--even added the scuttle shake "mod"=
  (cross beams on the inner body, behind the engine) and had the rear drums b=
alanced locally.  All to no avail-----between 55 and 65 there is comes again=
!!  The drive was wonderful all the while as long as I drove slower or faste=
r than these speeds.
> =20
> What to do------what to do???
> =20
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Tom
> =20
> =20
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> =20
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr">FWIW, our =E2=80=9865 Must=
ang convertible had =E2=80=98scuttle shake=E2=80=99 as bad as my Healeys. My=
 dad was a factory rep for Ford back then, and he said they all did.</div><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hagerty magazine has a big write-u=
p on E-Types this month and news to me was that the Jag had a partially tubu=
lar chassis, which is likely stiffer than Healeys.=E2=80=99</div><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:52 PM, BJ8Healeys &=
lt;sbyers@ec.rr.com&gt; wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Well, first of all the structures are different between the
E-type and the BJ8.&nbsp; The purpose of the structural mod to the firewall i=
s to
stiffen it to increase its natural vibration frequency.&nbsp; I did that mod=
 and noticed
the difference, but it didn=E2=80=99t remove all of the shake.&nbsp; Allen H=
endrix did his
magic by balancing and truing the wheels and shaving the tires.&nbsp; It rem=
oved
almost all of the shake, and balancing the drums did the rest.&nbsp; I consi=
der
myself lucky to live close enough to Allen that I can take the car to him wh=
en
necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Steve Byers<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">HBJ8L/36666<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">BJ8 Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">AHCA Delegate at Large<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
color:#1F497D">Havelock, NC&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Healeys
[mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Felts<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 8, 2021 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> rfbegani@gmail.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'healeys'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sa=
ns-serif&quot;;color:black">I
have no scuttle shake on my 66 E-Type OTS and it is smooth as silk at all
speeds. Why would a Healey or any car be any different? If this was a functi=
on
of the tires, would'nt we see tires being shaved on many different cars? I h=
ave
this strange suspicion it is unique to the Healey.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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ns-serif&quot;;color:black">-----
Original Message -----<br>
From: rfbegani@gmail.com<br>
To: 'Team.net' &lt;lawrence.swift@gmail.com&gt;, 'Michael Salter'
&lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<br>
Cc: 'healeys' &lt;Healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
Sent: Thu, 08 Jul 2021 12:58:48 -0400 (EDT)<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] "SS" aka--scuttle shake<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><a href=3D"https://tinyurl.com/jnd85dvk"; targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://tinyurl.com/jnd85dvk</a>&nbsp;&nbsp;
Youtube showing how they do it on the car and the equipment.</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:=
black">
rfbegani@gmail.com &lt;rfbegani@gmail.com&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 8, 2021 12:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Team.net' &lt;lawrence.swift@gmail.com&gt;; 'Michael Salter'
&lt;michaelsalter@gmail.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'healeys' &lt;Healeys@autox.team.net&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> "SS" aka--scuttle shake<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">I had the
tires shaved and balanced and the tech marked each tire as to the position t=
he
car.&nbsp; The best were on the front right left and the worst were rear rig=
ht
and left.&nbsp; Did not balance brake drums or anything else.&nbsp; Now only=
 a
little shake which is acceptable.&nbsp; Best $200 I ever spent on my BJ8, al=
ong
with the new Michelin 180 tires which cost a little more.</span><span style=3D=
"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Hard to
find a garage which has the equipment.&nbsp; You need to do an in-depth sear=
ch
for Shaving Tires Near Me.&nbsp; Fortunately, I found a great guy with the
original equipment 2 hours drive across the state of Florida.&nbsp; Note, yo=
u
may find garages listed that only have equipment for Truck Tires.</span><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Bob Begani</span><span style=3D"color:black"><=
o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Punta Gorda
Florida</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:20.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;=
sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:=
black"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Team.net<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">Healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] BJ8---clutch and "SS" aka--scuttle
shake<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">Agreed, I had the tires shaved and the r=
ear brake drums
balanced - now no scuttle shake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt=
"><span style=3D"color:black">On Jul 8, 2021, at 09:16, Michael Salter &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto;
margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-s=
erif&quot;;color:black">=EF=BB=BF</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">Second------for the years I have had thi=
s car, I have hated
the dreaded scuttle shake.&nbsp; I have balanced all wheels--even added the
scuttle shake "mod"&nbsp; (cross beams on the inner body, behind the
engine) and had the rear drums balanced locally.&nbsp; All to no
avail-----between 55 and 65 there is comes again!!&nbsp; The drive was
wonderful all the while as long as I drove slower or faster than these speed=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">What to do------what to do???<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">Any thoughts would be appreciated.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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t:auto"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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