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To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] It's not the starter
From: john harper via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 23 May 2022 10:12:30 +0100
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Patrick

The first test is to switch on the headlight. If they go partially out when
you get the 'click' then the starter is receiving power. Then you can look
for a jammed starter or an engine that will not turn. Occasionally starters
will jam and that is why there is a square end under a pull-off cover that
can be turned to release the jam. If it is a bad connection but not an open
circuit then leave the 'click' on for a while you can then feel all the
connections for bad contacts. They might be hot so be careful.  Another
check is, does the starter move and engages but does not turn the engine.
This is hard to tell because it is hard to see. However, you can turn the
starter back to make sure it is not engaged so that when you 'click' you
will see the starter rotate.

If the lights don't change then it might be a fault in the starter where
the brushes have worn down too much. All this assumes that the battery is
good and fully charged.



On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 09:07, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> 6 teeth sounds like a seized cam or something else preventing it from
> turning.  I would remove the front cover an take a look there first.
>
> M
>
> On Mon., May 23, 2022, 5:00 a.m. Al Fuller via Healeys, <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in the cylinders.
>>
>> If they look good, consider checking the starter contactor. If the
>> battery is good, starter is good and no obvious issues in the cylinders,
>> maybe try pulling the spark plugs and see if you can turn it over.
>>
>> ________________
>> Best Regards,
>> Al Fuller
>>
>> On Sun, May 22, 2022, 7:27 AM Patrick & Caroline Quinn via Healeys <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A problem to consider.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Went to turn the engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder=
.
>>> Rebuilt about five years back, but seen next to no use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Solenoid clicks, but no movement from the engine. Must be the battery s=
o
>>> charged it, but no change.  Tried a brand new battery, but still no
>>> movement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Out comes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr awa=
y
>>> on the floor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under
>>> load?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tunnel=
s
>>> not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel,
>>> after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring ge=
ar,
>>> but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no furt=
her.
>>> Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What=E2=80=99s up? Why won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap=
 on and perhaps
>>> it=E2=80=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Per=
haps there
>>> is a bent valve?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any opinions out there?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Quinn
>>>
>>> Blue Mountains, Australia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Patrick<div><br></div><div>The first test is to switch=C2=
=A0on the headlight. If they go partially out when you get the &#39;click&#=
39; then the starter is receiving=C2=A0power. Then you can look for a jamme=
d starter or an engine that will not turn. Occasionally=C2=A0starters will =
jam and that is why there is a square=C2=A0end under a pull-off cover that =
can be turned to release the jam. If it is a bad connection but not an open=
 circuit then leave the &#39;click&#39; on for a while you can then feel al=
l the connections for bad contacts. They might be hot so be careful.=C2=A0 =
Another check is, does the starter move and engages but does not turn the e=
ngine. This is hard to tell because it is hard to see. However, you can tur=
n the starter back to make sure it is not engaged so that when you &#39;cli=
ck&#39; you will see the starter rotate.</div><div><br></div><div>If the li=
ghts don&#39;t change then it might be a fault in the starter where the bru=
shes=C2=A0have worn down too much. All this assumes that the battery is goo=
d and fully charged.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 23 May 2022=
 at 09:07, Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";>mi=
chaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,20=
4);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto">6 teeth sounds like a seized cam or =
something else preventing it from turning.=C2=A0 I would remove the front c=
over an take a look there first.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"aut=
o">M</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon., May 23, 2022, 5:00 a.m. Al Fuller via Healeys, &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.n=
et</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=
"><div dir=3D"auto">Do you have a horoscope? You could take a look in the c=
ylinders.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">If they look good, c=
onsider checking the starter contactor. If the battery is good, starter is =
good and no obvious issues in the cylinders, maybe try pulling the spark pl=
ugs and see if you can turn it over.<br><br><div dir=3D"auto">_____________=
___<br>Best Regards,<br>Al Fuller</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 22, 2022, 7:27 AM =
Patrick &amp; Caroline Quinn via Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@auto=
x.team.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div=
 lang=3D"EN-AU" style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">Hello<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal">A problem to consider.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Went to turn the=
 engine over in the BN3. An early C-Series six-cylinder. Rebuilt about five=
 years back, but seen next to no use.<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Solenoid clicks, but no m=
ovement from the engine. Must be the battery so charged it, but no change.=
=C2=A0 Tried a brand new battery, but still no movement.<u></u><u></u></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Out co=
mes the starter and connect it straight to the battery. Whirr away on the f=
loor. Perhaps the original Lucas starter is breaking down under load?<u></u=
><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal">It occurs to me to try and turn the engine over by hand. Gearbox tun=
nels not fitted so easy to wield a large screwdriver to leaver the flywheel=
, after removing the spark plugs. It moves about six teeth of the ring gear=
, but no more. It moves back the same in the other direction, but no furthe=
r. Soon lose interest in this manoeuvre. <u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">What=E2=80=99s up? Wh=
y won=E2=80=99t the engine turn over? Thinking cap on and perhaps it=E2=80=
=99s something at the top of the engine such as valve gear. Perhaps there i=
s a bent valve?<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u=
></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Any opinions out there?<u></u><u></u></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks=
<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal">Patrick Quinn<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Blue M=
ountains, Australia<u></u><u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
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