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Re: [Mgs] Voltmeter bounces when I shut off the engine

To: "Duvall Video Productions" <mike@duvallvideo.com>, <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Voltmeter bounces when I shut off the engine
From: "PaulHunt73" <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 08:19:44 +0100
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Not deliberately, but effectively yes.  As I said it was a wiring design 
error that they didn't notice, because the anti-runon system was just as 
effective at stopping the engine as the ignition!  It's only when people 
have a problem with the emissions plumbing, or the anti-runon components, 
that they then discover they can't switch off the engine with the key, which 
is a not uncommon complaint in the past.  UK cars never had the emissions 
plumbing so the problem was discovered immediately, and corrected, but they 
never applied the fix to North American cars.

What happens is that the ignition relay controls everything, except the 
ignition warning light, which is still connected to the ignition switch as 
before, and crucially to the same point as the relay winding.  With the 
ignition on and the engine running there is 12v to one side of the warning 
light from the ignition key, and 12v to the other side from the alternator, 
which is why the warning light doesn't glow.  When the ignition is turned 
off with a running engine, 12v is removed from the key side, but the 
alternator is still generating 12v.  Because the ignition switch side of the 
warning light is also connected to the ignition relay winding, current flows 
from the alternator, through the warning light and the relay winding, and 
this is sufficient to keep the relay operated, hence all the ignition 
circuits, including the coil, are still powered with the key off.  Turning 
off the key also operates the anti-runon system, which is so effective it 
stops the engine as if the ignition *had* been turned off, hence no one 
realised there was a problem.

PaulH.

----- Original Message ----- 
> Paul,  Are you saying they cut the engine with the anti runon valve and
> actually delayed cutting power or are you simplifying?   I'm looking at 
> the
> later N American wiring diagram and I don't see any way they are delaying
> ignition cut off...
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