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ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are useful tools. But I've run into a
couple situations where AI answers, Gemini's in particular, were
complete fabrications. Most recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the
backstory for an online novel that I've been reading. Gemini's answers
were completely believable and, in some cases, completely false.
Descriptions of events that never occurred and events that did occur but
involved different characters. (It was fascinating how the answers wove
a cohesive picture that wound up at the same place as the original novel
but took a different path to get there.)
Trust but verify is the name of the game.
On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:
> I thought I would resurrect Mooseâ??s discussion to share a recent
> article from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle problems.
> Â In a nutshell, their experience mirrors Mooseâ??s and suggests we might
> all want to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
>
> hagerty.com
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-next-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=SFMC&utm_medium=email&utm_content=MED_UN_NA_EML_UN_UN_WeekendRoadTrip&hashed_email=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e&dtm_em=c8a202749fb3ee180da46bc01753dfea37cacafc792579d503edc6e326ce4e4e>
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>> On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42â?¯PM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost embarrassed to say it.
>>
>> First, I checked the intake for oil thinking that would show me if it
>> was a pcv valve that failed. Â It was clean.
>>
>> HOWEVER, I didn't realize the best way to check them is to just pull
>> them out and replace them. (It was $4.50 and $8 for the grommet.)
>> Â Actually, if you pull them out and shake them, you should hear it
>> rattle.
>>
>> Well, I replaced it. And no more oil leak!!!!! Â I also borescoped the
>> cylinders (all were near perfect) and replaced the spark plugs while
>> I was there. Â Car runs much smoother now as a result!
>>
>> So, who was the winner that told me this...
>>
>> AI. Â That is right, I put the question to ChatGPT and that was the
>> first thing it told me to try. Â It gave me a nice list of things to
>> try in order.
>>
>> Since I figured, I was on a roll, I pushed on. Â One of the problems
>> with the car that we never had the 'radio security code' and after a
>> battery replacement, the radio was locked.
>>
>> So I found a link to a Honda site where you can recover the codes,
>> but it required the S/N of the radio (and car VIN.) Â No problem I
>> figured. Â Taking the radio out was 2 clips and 3 screws to get the
>> dash off of it. Â HOWEVER, there was a surprise hidden for 'non-Honda'
>> mechanics that may try to do this. Â The button for the hazard lights
>> has an electrical connector attached to it. Â Like all automotive
>> connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2 incantations, and a bit of
>> unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why can't they standardize
>> electrical connectors?)
>> Anyway, when you get it apart, the spring that returns the hazard
>> light button is held in-between the switch and the connector. Â So
>> guess where this spring shoots one you disconnect the plug. Â That's
>> right, straight into the depths of the dash board. Â CRUD!
>>
>> Luckily, I found a spring that worked in my 'springs and things' draw
>> and was able to get it all back together. So the car now has a radio
>> as well.
>>
>> In the end, I'm a happy man and the SO thinks I can walk on water.
>> Â Don't worry, I'm sure I'll screw up soon enough to dispel that
>> image. Â 8>)
>>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are
useful tools.=C2=A0 But I've run into a couple situations where AI
answers, Gemini's in particular, were complete fabrications.=C2=A0 =
Most
recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the backstory for an
online novel that I've been reading.=C2=A0 Gemini's answers were
completely believable and, in some cases, completely false.=C2=A0
Descriptions of events that never occurred and events that did
occur but involved different characters.=C2=A0 (It was fascinating =
how
the answers wove a cohesive picture that wound up at the same
place as the original novel but took a different path to get
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Trust but verify is the name of the
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<div>On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:eric@mega=
geek.com"><eric@megageek.com></a> wrote:</div>
<br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well gurus, I fixed=
the Honda and I'm almost
embarrassed to say it.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, I checked the
intake for oil
thinking that would show me if it was a pcv valve that
failed. =C2=A0It
was clean.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">HOWEVER, I didn't real=
ize
the best way
to check them is to just pull them out and replace them.
(It was $4.50
and $8 for the grommet.) =C2=A0Actually, if you pull them=
out
and shake
them, you should hear it rattle.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I replaced it. A=
nd
no more oil
leak!!!!! =C2=A0I also borescoped the cylinders (all were=
near perfect)
and replaced the spark plugs while I was there. =C2=A0Car=
runs much smoother
now as a result!</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So, who was the winner=
that told me
this...</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">AI. =C2=A0That is righ=
t, I put
the question
to ChatGPT and that was the first thing it told me to
try. =C2=A0It gave
me a nice list of things to try in order.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Since I figured, I was=
on
a roll, I
pushed on. =C2=A0One of the problems with the car that we=
never had the
'radio security code' and after a battery replacement,
the radio was locked.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So I found a link to a=
Honda site where
you can recover the codes, but it required the S/N of
the radio (and car
VIN.) =C2=A0No problem I figured. =C2=A0Taking the radio =
out was 2
clips
and 3 screws to get the dash off of it. =C2=A0HOWEVER, th=
ere
was a surprise
hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do
this. =C2=A0The button
for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
attached to it. =C2=A0Like
all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2
incantations, and
a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why
can't they standardize
electrical connectors?) =C2=A0</font>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, when you get i=
t
apart, the spring
that returns the hazard light button is held in-between
the switch and
the connector. =C2=A0So guess where this spring shoots on=
e
you disconnect
the plug. =C2=A0That's right, straight into the depths of=
the
dash board.
=C2=A0CRUD!</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Luckily, I found a spr=
ing
that worked
in my 'springs and things' draw and was able to get it
all back together.
So the car now has a radio as well.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">In the end, I'm a happ=
y
man and the
SO thinks I can walk on water. =C2=A0Don't worry, I'm sur=
e
I'll screw up
soon enough to dispel that image. =C2=A08>)</font>
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