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On Friday, December 19, 2025 at 04:58:10 AM EST, eric@megageek.com <eric=
@megageek.com> wrote: =20
>Years ago I usedAllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the =
pdfs of the=C2=A0>manuals,but not that great. =C2=A0I remember one time I w=
as looking for a sensoron a=C2=A0>Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of =
the sensor, but it was an'illustration' and=C2=A0>impossible to figure out =
where it was on the car.=20
Interesting.=C2=A0 I don't remember the name of the system we were using at=
the school as that was back in 2007.=C2=A0 But it was very good.=C2=A0 I h=
ave several friends that are professional mechanics and they have talked ab=
out using alldata and similar systems and appear to be very happy with the =
results.
>Also, isn't itmake specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?
I believe that may still be true.=C2=A0 Like how many of use hobbyist have =
Lambo's we need to work on.=20
>I'm not tryingto bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the pri=
ce. =C2=A0Maybeit's=C2=A0>changed. =C2=A0I'll love to hear more about what =
you think of it,has it gotten better?=20
In the past I'm pretty sure that's why I never used it.=C2=A0 But reciently=
I've come across several problems on these newer cars that I definitely co=
uld use some help on and I looked into Alldata.=C2=A0 I think they may have=
changed their DIY usages.=C2=A0 I thought there was one option for a speci=
fic car and one for maybe 2 or 3 cars.=C2=A0 But last time I looked it seem=
ed to be time duration, like 1 mo.=C2=A0 But for a problem problem, $20 for=
a mo isn't bad, especially if it helps you find the problem.=C2=A0=20
>But right now,with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I=
'm always willingto=C2=A0>buy another tool!) 8>)=20
I definitely agree.=C2=A0 I was just trying to say there is an additional t=
ool available that may be worth looking to.=C2=A0 Our cell phones and AI su=
re have helped the DIYer.=C2=A0 I can't believe that we ever got along with=
out these tools.
>FWIW on the AIside. =C2=A0The Army released it's own AI and I was totally =
blow away byit. =C2=A0I=C2=A0>had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in=
a very specificformat.) =C2=A0I just put in the data=C2=A0>for each portio=
n of the white paper,in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds,=
=C2=A0>I had a VERY professional,perfectly formatted white paper. =C2=A0It =
even included some=C2=A0>additionaltechnical data to expand on what I fed i=
t (and yes, I checked it and itwas=C2=A0>correct.) =C2=A0I was really impre=
ssed.=20
I keep hearing stories like this.=C2=A0 I haven't had the need for anything=
like that now that I'm retired.=C2=A0 But I have taken some long items I'v=
e written and asked AI to help clean them up and maybe shorten them.=C2=A0 =
What I got back wasn't what I was looking for.=C2=A0 I guess I just didn't =
give it the right guidance.=C2=A0 I need more practice.
>However, I totallyagree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. =
=C2=A0As an instructor=C2=A0>in the Army, we have student's try to pass off=
papers that were AI generatedand it is very=C2=A0>clear what is AI.=C2=A0 =
I find it's bestuse is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' wor=
k.=C2=A0>The'substance' needs to come from the person.=20
True.=C2=A0 I will use MS Doc's to go over something I've written to check =
my grammar and spelling.=C2=A0 It does a great job at that, a lot better th=
an just a spelling checker.=C2=A0 It will catch things like there and their=
that a spelling checker won't.=C2=A0 But spelling checkers sure were a gre=
at improvement of nothing! =C2=A0 Me being dyslexic my spelling leaves a lo=
t to be desired.
>Have a great day!=20
Thanks, you also!!!
JohnT
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On Friday, December 19, 2025 at 04:58:10 AM EST, er=
ic@megageek.com <eric@megageek.com> wrote:
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<div><div>><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family=
:sans-serif;">Years ago I used
AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the pdfs of the <=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>=
;manuals,
but not that great. I remember one time I was looking for a sensor
on a </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">>Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the sensor, but it was=
an
'illustration' and </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;fon=
t-family:sans-serif;">>impossible to figure out where it was on the car.=
</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Int=
eresting. I don't remember the name of the system we were using at th=
e school as that was back in 2007. But it was very good. I have=
several friends that are professional mechanics and they have talked about=
using alldata and similar systems and appear to be very happy with the res=
ults.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false">><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">Also, isn't it
make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?</span></div><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:=
sans-serif;"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span =
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I believe that may still b=
e true. Like how many of use hobbyist have Lambo's we need to work on=
. <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-emoji-wrapper" src=3D"h=
ttps://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f642.png" style=3D=
"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" data-inlineimagemanipulating=3D=
"true" width=3D"16" height=3D"16"><br></span>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none"><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-seri=
f;">>I'm not trying
to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the price. Maybe
it's </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-=
serif;">>changed. I'll love to hear more about what you think of i=
t,
has it gotten better?</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data=
-setdir=3D"false">In the past I'm pretty sure that's why I never used it.&n=
bsp; But reciently I've come across several problems on these newer cars th=
at I definitely could use some help on and I looked into Alldata. I t=
hink they may have changed their DIY usages. I thought there was one =
option for a specific car and one for maybe 2 or 3 cars. But last tim=
e I looked it seemed to be time duration, like 1 mo. But for a proble=
m problem, $20 for a mo isn't bad, especially if it helps you find the prob=
lem. <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fa=
mily:sans-serif;">But right now,
with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I'm always willi=
ng
to </span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"=
font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>buy another tool!) 8>)</span=
> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"lt=
r" data-setdir=3D"false">I definitely agree. I was just trying to say=
there is an additional tool available that may be worth looking to. =
Our cell phones and AI sure have helped the DIYer. I can't believe th=
at we ever got along with out these tools.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdi=
r=3D"false"><br></div><div>
><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">FWIW on the AI
side. The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow away by
it. I </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;">>had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very spe=
cific
format.) I just put in the data </span></div><div><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>for each portion of the white =
paper,
in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds, </span></div><d=
iv><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>I had a VERY =
professional,
perfectly formatted white paper. It even included some </span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>additio=
nal
technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked it and it
was </span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-s=
erif;">>correct.) I was really impressed.</span> <br></div><div><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">I keep hearing stories like =
this. I haven't had the need for anything like that now that I'm reti=
red. But I have taken some long items I've written and asked AI to he=
lp clean them up and maybe shorten them. What I got back wasn't what =
I was looking for. I guess I just didn't give it the right guidance.&=
nbsp; I need more practice.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">><span style=3D"font-size:=
10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">However, I totally
agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. As an instruc=
tor </span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>in the Army, we have student's=
try to pass off papers that were AI generated
and it is very </span></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">>clear what is AI.&n=
bsp; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif;">I find i=
t's best
use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' work. </span><=
/div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;f=
ont-family:sans-serif;">>The
'substance' needs to come from the person.</span> <br></div><div dir=3D"ltr=
" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Tr=
ue. I will use MS Doc's to go over something I've written to check my=
grammar and spelling. It does a great job at that, a lot better than=
just a spelling checker. It will catch things like there and their t=
hat a spelling checker won't. But spelling checkers sure were a great=
improvement of nothing! <img title=3D"Emoji" alt=3D"Emoji" class=3D"yahoo-=
emoji-wrapper" src=3D"https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_ass=
ets/1f642.png" style=3D"padding: 0px 2px; vertical-align: middle;" data-inl=
ineimagemanipulating=3D"true" width=3D"16" height=3D"16"> Me being dy=
slexic my spelling leaves a lot to be desired.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false"><br></div><div>><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:sans-serif;">Have a great day!</span> <br></div><div><br></div><div dir=
=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Thanks, you also!!!</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">JohnT<=
br></div><div><br></div><br></div></div>
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