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There are many paths up the mountain, but the view is always the same.
Ask the question at least 3 times to get a hint of the true answer is my
experience.
--Miq
On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Jimmie Mayfield <
mayfield+shoptalk@sackheads.org> wrote:
> ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are useful tools. But I've run into a
> couple situations where AI answers, Gemini's in particular, were complete
> fabrications. Most recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the backstory
> for an online novel that I've been reading. Gemini's answers were
> completely believable and, in some cases, completely false. Descriptions
> of events that never occurred and events that did occur but involved
> different characters. (It was fascinating how the answers wove a cohesiv=
e
> picture that wound up at the same place as the original novel but took a
> different path to get there.)
>
> Trust but verify is the name of the game.
>
>
> On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:
>
> I thought I would resurrect Moose=E2=80=99s discussion to share a recent =
article
> from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle problems. In a
> nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose=E2=80=99s and suggests we might =
all want
> to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
>
> hagerty.com
> <https://www.hagerty.com/media/maintenance-and-tech/tested-is-ai-your-nex=
t-classic-car-mechanic/?utm_source=3DSFMC&utm_medium=3Demail&utm_content=3D=
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>
> On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose <eric@megageek.com> <eric@mega=
geek.com>
> wrote:
>
> Well gurus, I fixed the Honda and I'm almost embarrassed to say it.
>
> First, I checked the intake for oil thinking that would show me if it was
> a pcv valve that failed. It was clean.
>
> HOWEVER, I didn't realize the best way to check them is to just pull them
> out and replace them. (It was $4.50 and $8 for the grommet.) Actually, i=
f
> you pull them out and shake them, you should hear it rattle.
>
> Well, I replaced it. And no more oil leak!!!!! I also borescoped the
> cylinders (all were near perfect) and replaced the spark plugs while I wa=
s
> there. Car runs much smoother now as a result!
>
> So, who was the winner that told me this...
>
> AI. That is right, I put the question to ChatGPT and that was the first
> thing it told me to try. It gave me a nice list of things to try in orde=
r.
>
> Since I figured, I was on a roll, I pushed on. One of the problems with
> the car that we never had the 'radio security code' and after a battery
> replacement, the radio was locked.
>
> So I found a link to a Honda site where you can recover the codes, but it
> required the S/N of the radio (and car VIN.) No problem I figured. Taki=
ng
> the radio out was 2 clips and 3 screws to get the dash off of it. HOWEVE=
R,
> there was a surprise hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do
> this. The button for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
> attached to it. Like all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spel=
l,
> 2 incantations, and a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, w=
hy
> can't they standardize electrical connectors?)
> Anyway, when you get it apart, the spring that returns the hazard light
> button is held in-between the switch and the connector. So guess where
> this spring shoots one you disconnect the plug. That's right, straight
> into the depths of the dash board. CRUD!
>
> Luckily, I found a spring that worked in my 'springs and things' draw and
> was able to get it all back together. So the car now has a radio as well.
>
> In the end, I'm a happy man and the SO thinks I can walk on water. Don't
> worry, I'm sure I'll screw up soon enough to dispel that image. 8>)
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">There are many paths up the mountain, but the view is alwa=
ys the same.<div><br></div><div>Ask the question at least 3 times to get a =
hint of the true answer is my experience.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 -=
-Miq</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 18, 2025 at 5:21=E2=80=AFPM Jim=
mie Mayfield <<a href=3D"mailto:mayfield%2Bshoptalk@sackheads.org";>mayfi=
eld+shoptalk@sackheads.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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=20
=20
<div>
<div>ChatGPT and Gemini and Claude are
useful tools.=C2=A0 But I've run into a couple situations where A=
I
answers, Gemini's in particular, were complete fabrications.=C2=
=A0 Most
recently, I'd asked Gemini to summarize the backstory for an
online novel that I've been reading.=C2=A0 Gemini's answers w=
ere
completely believable and, in some cases, completely false.=C2=A0
Descriptions of events that never occurred and events that did
occur but involved different characters.=C2=A0 (It was fascinating ho=
w
the answers wove a cohesive picture that wound up at the same
place as the original novel but took a different path to get
there.)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Trust but verify is the name of the
game.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On 12/18/25 18:25, Jim Stone wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
I thought I would resurrect Moose=E2=80=99s discussion to share a rec=
ent
article from Haggerty on the use of AI to diagnose vehicle
problems.=C2=A0 In a nutshell, their experience mirrors Moose=E2=80=
=99s and
suggests we might all want to add ChatGTP into our toolboxes.
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<div>On Nov 21, 2025, at 6:42=E2=80=AFPM, Moose
<a href=3D"mailto:eric@megageek.com"; target=3D"_blank"><er=
ic@megageek.com></a> wrote:</div>
<br>
<div><font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well gurus, I fixed
the Honda and I'm almost
embarrassed to say it.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">First, I checked the
intake for oil
thinking that would show me if it was a pcv valve that
failed.=C2=A0 It
was clean.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">HOWEVER, I didn't re=
alize
the best way
to check them is to just pull them out and replace them.
(It was $4.50
and $8 for the grommet.) =C2=A0Actually, if you pull them o=
ut
and shake
them, you should hear it rattle.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Well, I replaced it. And
no more oil
leak!!!!!=C2=A0 I also borescoped the cylinders (all were
near perfect)
and replaced the spark plugs while I was there.=C2=A0 Car
runs much smoother
now as a result!</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So, who was the winner
that told me
this...</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">AI.=C2=A0 That is right,=
I put
the question
to ChatGPT and that was the first thing it told me to
try.=C2=A0 It gave
me a nice list of things to try in order.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Since I figured, I was o=
n
a roll, I
pushed on.=C2=A0 One of the problems with the car that we
never had the
'radio security code' and after a battery replaceme=
nt,
the radio was locked.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">So I found a link to a
Honda site where
you can recover the codes, but it required the S/N of
the radio (and car
VIN.) =C2=A0No problem I figured.=C2=A0 Taking the radio ou=
t was 2
clips
and 3 screws to get the dash off of it.=C2=A0 HOWEVER, ther=
e
was a surprise
hidden for 'non-Honda' mechanics that may try to do
this.=C2=A0 The button
for the hazard lights has an electrical connector
attached to it.=C2=A0 Like
all automotive connectors, it requires a magic spell, 2
incantations, and
a bit of unicorn farts to disconnect it (Seriously, why
can't they standardize
electrical connectors?) =C2=A0</font>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Anyway, when you get it
apart, the spring
that returns the hazard light button is held in-between
the switch and
the connector.=C2=A0 So guess where this spring shoots one
you disconnect
the plug.=C2=A0 That's right, straight into the depths =
of the
dash board.
=C2=A0CRUD!</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">Luckily, I found a sprin=
g
that worked
in my 'springs and things' draw and was able to get=
it
all back together.
So the car now has a radio as well.</font>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3D"2" face=3D"sans-serif">In the end, I'm a ha=
ppy
man and the
SO thinks I can walk on water.=C2=A0 Don't worry, I'=
;m sure
I'll screw up
soon enough to dispel that image. =C2=A08>)</font>
<br>
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