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John,
Years ago I used AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the
pdfs of the manuals, but not that great. I remember one time I was
looking for a sensor on a Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the
sensor, but it was an 'illustration' and impossible to figure out where it
was on the car.
Also, isn't it make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?
I'm not trying to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the
price. Maybe it's changed. I'll love to hear more about what you think
of it, has it gotten better?
But right now, with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but
I'm always willing to buy another tool!) 8>)
FWIW on the AI side. The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow
away by it. I had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very
specific format.) I just put in the data for each portion of the white
paper, in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds, I had a VERY
professional, perfectly formatted white paper. It even included some
additional technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked
it and it was correct.) I was really impressed.
However, I totally agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked.
As an instructor in the Army, we have student's try to pass off papers
that were AI generated and it is very clear what is AI.
I find it's best use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate'
work. The 'substance' needs to come from the person.
Often I need to write a letter or memo, and i just tell it what i need the
document to say and it formats it perfectly and does all the 'heavy
lifting' and i just go back and fix/add any details.
Have a great day!
Moose
From: John T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net>
To: "shop-talk@autox.team.net" <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: 12/19/2025 00:08
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION
Sent by: "Shop-talk" <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net>
On Thursday, December 18, 2025 at 09:34:23 PM EST, Old Dirtbeard
<dirtbeard@live.com> wrote:
>I have been using MS Copilot, it is bundled with Edge for free and can be
>quite helpful in the initial exploration phase. It can help you to ask
the right
>questions.....
So with all this AI don't forget about AllData for the DIYers. You can
get a 1 mo. subscription for $20. So if you're stumped try that. I keep
meaning to as I used one of the commercial on-line diagnostic similar to
the "Pro" version of AllData when I was talking auto classes at the local
community college.
I haven't been stumped yet. My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, no
instrument lights and no start. We spent about 5 hr. working on it and
searching the internet to no avail. Then he found a youtube video about
the problem. Turns out a loose connector in the passenger side front kick
panel. Pulled the panel and sure enough. Plugged the plug back in and
off it went.
These computers and all the support site are our best friends!!!!
JohnT
John T. Blair WA4OHZ email: jblair1948@cox.net
Va. Beach, Va Phone: (757) 495-8229
48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V (B1106)
75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire 71 Saab Sonett III
65 Rambler Classic
Morgan: http://autox.team.net/morgan/
Bricklin: http://www.bricklin.org
If you can read this - Thank a teacher!
If you are reading it in English - Thank a Vet!!
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e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."
In God We Trust
Liberty - the power of choosing, thinking, and acting for
oneself; freedom from control or restriction
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<span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">John, </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Years ago I used
AllData, if I remember correctly, it was mostly just the pdfs of the manuals,
but not that great. I remember one time I was looking for a sensor
on a Mercedes 190D, and the image was just of the sensor, but it was an
'illustration' and impossible to figure out where it was on the car.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Also, isn't it
make specific, or do you get access to all makes/models?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I'm not trying
to bad mouth it, but I don't remember it being worth the price. Maybe
it's changed. I'll love to hear more about what you think of it,
has it gotten better?</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">But right now,
with youtube and AI, I've been getting great results. (but I'm always willing
to buy another tool!) 8>)</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">FWIW on the AI
side. The Army released it's own AI and I was totally blow away by
it. I had a white paper to write (about 3 pages, in a very specific
format.) I just put in the data for each portion of the white paper,
in normal speaking voice, and in less than 30 seconds, I had a VERY
professional,
perfectly formatted white paper. It even included some additional
technical data to expand on what I fed it (and yes, I checked it and it
was correct.) I was really impressed.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">However, I totally
agree that AI needs to be verified and doubled checked. As an instructor
in the Army, we have student's try to pass off papers that were AI generated
and it is very clear what is AI.</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">I find it's best
use is to have it do formatting, and the 'boiler plate' work. The
'substance' needs to come from the person.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Often I need to
write a letter or memo, and i just tell it what i need the document to
say and it formats it perfectly and does all the 'heavy lifting' and i
just go back and fix/add any details.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Have a great
day!</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:10pt;font-family:sans-serif">Moose</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">From:
</span><span style="
font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">John
T Blair <jblair1948@cox.net></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">To:
</span><span style="
font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"shop-talk@autox.team.net"
<shop-talk@autox.team.net></span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Date:
</span><span style="
font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">12/19/2025
00:08</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Subject:
</span><span style="
font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">Re:
[Shop-talk] New engine for a Honda? RESOLUTION</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:9pt;color:#5f5f5f;font-family:sans-serif">Sent
by: </span><span style="
font-size:9pt;font-family:sans-serif">"Shop-talk"
<shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net></span>
<br>
<hr noshade>
<br>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">On Thursday, December
18, 2025 at 09:34:23 PM EST, Old Dirtbeard <dirtbeard@live.com> wrote:
</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">>I have been using
MS Copilot, it is bundled with Edge for free and can be </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">>quite helpful in
the initial exploration phase. It can help you to ask the right </span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">>questions.....</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">So with all this AI
don't forget about AllData for the DIYers. You can get a 1 mo.
subscription
for $20. So if you're stumped try that. I keep meaning to as
I used one of the commercial on-line diagnostic similar to the "Pro"
version of AllData when I was talking auto classes at the local community
college. </span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">I haven't been stumped
yet. My son had a problem with his 2011 F150, no instrument lights
and no start. We spent about 5 hr. working on it and searching the
internet to no avail. Then he found a youtube video about the problem.
Turns out a loose connector in the passenger side front kick panel.
Pulled the panel and sure enough. Plugged the plug back in
and off it went.</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">These computers and
all the support site are our best friends!!!!</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">JohnT</span>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">John T. Blair WA4OHZ
email: jblair1948@cox.net</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Va. Beach, Va
Phone: (757)
495-8229<br>
<br>
48 TR1800 48 #4 Midget 65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
(B1106)<br>
75 Bricklin SV1 (#0887) 77 Spitfire
71 Saab Sonett III<br>
65 Rambler Classic<br>
<br>
Morgan: </span><a href=http://autox.team.net/morgan/
target=_blank><span style="
font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>http://autox.team.net/morgan/<br>
</u></span></a>
<br><a href=http://autox.team.net/morgan/ target=_blank></a><span style="
font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">Bricklin:
</span><a href=http://www.bricklin.org/ target=_blank><span
style="
font-size:12pt;color:blue;font-family:Arial"><u>http://www.bricklin.org</u></span></a>
<br>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">If you can read this
- Thank
a teacher!</span>
<br><span style=" font-size:12pt;font-family:Arial">If you are reading
it in English - Thank a Vet!!<br>
<br>
>From Dennis Prager - The American Trilogy:<br>
e pluribus Unum, "from many, one."<br>
In God We Trust<br>
Liberty - the power of choosing,
thinking,
and acting for <br>
oneself;
freedom from control or restriction <br>
</span>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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