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Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting

To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting
From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:25:00 -0600
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26 degrees and my wife and I rode one of the motorcycles 110 miles round tri=
p to breakfast. Same tomorrow, but 160 round trip. Game over.=20

Ron Soave

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 2:08 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:
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> I'll have you now it is 62 degrees at this time. I am looking at the windo=
w thermometer outside my bedroom (heated) window as I type.
> Mike
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> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 11:49 AM, Rick Fisk <refisk@chartermi.net> w=
rote:
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> Cold garage?  In San Bernardino?  What - is it all the way down to 65 F?  =
 LOL
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> It's 34 F in my garage right at the moment.
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> Sent from my keyboard
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>> On Nov 28, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
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>> You're going to make me go out in the cold garage and remove the valve co=
ver and look to see what kind of spacers I have.
>> Mike
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 11:15 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.=
com> wrote:
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>>=20
>> Hmmm  some/most/all? high lift use solid spacers, so back to torquing, I v=
enture.
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 11/28/2015 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean wrote:
>>> I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles=
 on the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.  They are h=
igh ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much wear on them y=
et.  The very first time I put oil in the engine, the oil would fill the val=
ve cover before it would eventually drain down in the block.  When I built t=
his engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve train and installe=
d hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.  The problem is the hol=
es that the pushrods pass through were enlarged, but apparently not large en=
ough for oil to easily pass by.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport=
.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those bushi=
ngs are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded with oil
>>>=20
>>>> On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>>=20
>>> "Palm to forehead",  why didn't I think of that?  Thanks Peter for savin=
g me all that work. Besides, I would have to figure out how my new electroni=
c works.
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>=20
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>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.com>=20
>>> Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>>> To: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, spridgets@autox.team.ne=
t=20
>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>>>=20
>>> In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and slide t=
he rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.
>>>=20
>>>> On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
>>>=20
>>> I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong,                         but I=
 have to remove the head Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker assem=
bly off the engine to replace the pushrods.  I'm thinking the other stud nut=
s have to be loosened also to re-torque the head properly. Is there another w=
ay to replace the pushrods without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?
>>> Mike MacLean
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>=20
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>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>=20
>>> Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
>>> To: spridgets@autox.team.net=20
>>> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>>>=20
>>> Why pull the head at all?
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>>> --=20
>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
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>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
>>> www.nosimport.com
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
>>>=20
>>> --=20
>>> Peter Caldwell
>>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>>> Madison  WI  53716
>>> (608)223-9400
>>> www.nosimport.com
>>> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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>> --=20
>> Peter Caldwell
>> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
>> 2517 Seiferth Rd
>> Madison  WI  53716
>> (608)223-9400
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>26 degrees and my wife and I rode one o=
f the motorcycles 110 miles round trip to breakfast. Same tomorrow, but 160 r=
ound trip. Game over.&nbsp;<br><br>Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, a=
t 2:08 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquot=
e type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-f=
amily:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui=
_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_155282" dir=3D"ltr">I'll have you now it is 62 degre=
es at this time. I am looking at the window thermometer outside my bedroom (=
heated) window as I type.</div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_155283"=
 dir=3D"ltr">Mike<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_155284"><sp=
an></span></div> <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D=
"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times n=
ew roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-fami=
ly: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-ser=
if; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On S=
aturday, November 28, 2015 11:49 AM, Rick Fisk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:refisk@=
chartermi.net">refisk@chartermi.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div> <blockqu=
ote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; marg=
in-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><d=
iv id=3D"yiv4532271697"><div><div>Cold garage? &nbsp;In San Bernardino? &nbs=
p;What - is it all the way down to 65 F? &nbsp; LOL</div><div><br clear=3D"n=
one"></div><div>It's 34 F in my garage right at the moment.<br clear=3D"none=
"><br clear=3D"none">Sent from my keyboard</div><div class=3D"yiv4532271697y=
qt1264883896" id=3D"yiv4532271697yqt56281"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Nov 28=
, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" sh=
ape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.team.net";>spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><di=
v><div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman=
, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"><div id=3D"yiv4532271697yui_3_16_0=
_1_1448735926361_84412">You're going to make me go out in the cold garage an=
d remove the valve cover and look to see what kind of spacers I have.</div><=
div id=3D"yiv4532271697yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_84413">Mike<br clear=3D"no=
ne"></div><div id=3D"yiv4532271697yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_84365"><span></=
span></div> <br clear=3D"none"><div class=3D"yiv4532271697qtdSeparateBR"><br=
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oted" style=3D"display:block;"> <div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, n=
ew york, times, serif;font-size:16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family:HelveticaN=
eue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:1=
6px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, Novemb=
er 28, 2015 11:15 AM, Peter Caldwell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" y=
mailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter=
@nosimport.com">peter@nosimport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font>=
</div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-le=
ft:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"no=
ne"> <div class=3D"yiv4532271697y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv4532271697"><=
div>
    Hmmm&nbsp; some/most/all? high lift use solid spacers, so back to
    torquing, I venture.<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv4532271697yqt7921921946" id=3D"yiv4532271697yqt55144"><=
div class=3D"yiv4532271697moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 12:47 PM, Michael M=
acLean
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new r=
oman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px;">
        <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv4532271697yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926361_3088"=
>I will check
          the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles on
          the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.&nbsp=
;
          They are high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is
          that much wear on them yet.&nbsp; The very first time I put oil in=

          the engine, the oil would fill the valve cover before it would
          eventually drain down in the block.&nbsp; When I built this engine=

          I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve train and
          installed hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.&nbsp;=

          The problem is the holes that the pushrods pass through were
          enlarged, but apparently not large enough for oil to easily
          pass by.</div>
        <div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <br clear=3D"none">
        <div class=3D"yiv4532271697qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none">
          <br clear=3D"none">
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        <div class=3D"yiv4532271697yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display:block;">
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ca, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">
              <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday,=

                  November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell
                  <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv4532271697m=
oz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>&lt;peter@nosimport.com&gt;</a> wrote=
:<br clear=3D"none">
                </font></div>
              <blockquote style=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16,        =
         255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;padding-left:5px;"> <br clear=3D=
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                    <div> And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to
                      feel if maybe those bushings are worn, which can
                      be another reason the head gets flooded with oil<br cl=
ear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <div class=3D"yiv4532271697moz-cite-prefix">On
                        11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">
                      </div>
                      <blockquote type=3D"cite"> </blockquote>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>"Palm to forehead", &nbsp;why didn't I think of
                        that? &nbsp;Thanks Peter for saving me all that work=
.
                        Besides, I would have to figure out how my new
                        electronic works.</div>
                      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
                      <div><br clear=3D"none">
                      </div>
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                      </div>
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                        <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent
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                      From: Peter Caldwell <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
" class=3D"yiv4532271697moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosim=
port.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>&lt;peter@no=
simport.com&gt;</a>
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none=
">
                      To: "rrengineer.mike" <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" class=3D"yiv4532271697moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:rrengineer=
.mike@att.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";>&lt=
;rrengineer.mike@att.net&gt;</a>,
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                      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      In those desperate times at a race, you loosen
                      adjusting nuts and slide the rocker to the side,
                      unless you have solid spacers.<br clear=3D"none">
                      <br clear=3D"none">
                      <div class=3D"yiv4532271697moz-cite-prefix">On
                        11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=
=3D"none">
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                      <blockquote type=3D"cite"> </blockquote>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div>I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong,
                        but I have to remove the head Stud nuts on the
                        pedastals to lift the rocker assembly off the
                        engine to replace the pushrods. &nbsp;I'm thinking
                        the other stud nuts have to be loosened also to
                        re-torque the head properly. Is there another
                        way to replace the pushrods without loosening
                        all the head nuts in sequence?</div>
                      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
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                      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting
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                      Why pull the head at all?<br clear=3D"none">
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World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
(608)223-9400
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m</a>
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xt" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautopart=
s">http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts</a></pre>
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