Re: [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information

[Will Seay via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>]

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I bought my Tiger from Diehl Motors -Waynesboro/Staunton VA in 1967.  Diehl
Motors was a Chrysler dealer.  My car was one of two cars that they had on
the lot.  The title for my 1A read 1966/67.  Back then it was customary for
a dealer to give foreign cars the benefit of the doubt as to whether they
were the current or the next-year model.  Obviously the dealer didn't know
that the 1967 tiger, the MKII, represented a significant model change.
I'm pretty sure that POE for my car was Baltimore, and judging from the
odometer reading on my (new) Tiger, it looks like it was driven
from Baltimore to the dealership.

Will - 382001570
Tigers@embarqmail.com


On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:34 PM Stu <sabre2tgr@gmail.com> wrote:

> For Allan:  TBON lists 4 dealers in Atlanta, three of which allegedly
> carried Sunbeam products.
>
> In the list of dealers for Massachusetts, there is also a "Boston
> Warehouse" mentioned.  The address is on a pier at the waterfront, what
> today is the Black Falcon cruise terminal.  So it appears that Boston was
> also a POE for Rootes products.  Odd, since I don't see any other mention
> of a warehouse in other likely ports, NY, Baltimore, Savannah, Long Beach=
,
> San Francisco, etc.
>
> Also odd, there are three pages of dealer listings for California, but
> almost 5 pages of dealer listings for the NY/NJ area.  Yet according to t=
he
> cited statistic, most of the Tigers went west.
>
> Stu
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:41 PM Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this very interesting commentary.
>>
>> I=E2=80=99ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution across the country=
 took
>> place.  My Mk1a is
>> An Oklahoma car for example.
>>
>> Here in Atlanta there were only a few Tigers on the streets in the 60=E2=
=80=99s.
>> I don=E2=80=99t know if there
>> Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of the
>> Atlanta newspaper=E2=80=99s classified
>> ads for =E2=80=9CBritish cars.=E2=80=9D
>>
>> That=E2=80=99s where I found my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.
>>
>> I recall reading about MkII=E2=80=99s but seeing just one. I=E2=80=99ve =
come to
>> appreciate MkII styling
>> But back in the day the absence of side =E2=80=9Cstripe=E2=80=9D left me=
 skeptical.
>>
>> Allan Ballard
>> -Atlanta
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
>>
>> The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
>> He was back east or Canada, he didn't get one new, just many years later
>> (I think).
>> The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a
>> convertible.
>>
>> But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.  That is wh=
y
>> you
>> see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west
>> already
>> had a MK1  with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
>> Gary
>>
>> On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't have definitive information, but the cars could have been all
>> delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they
>> would have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the
>> network were located.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Brian Glenn
>> via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 22, 2022 9:58 PM
>> *To:* Tigers Den <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Information
>>
>> All,
>> I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article *What is a Sunbeam Tiger?=
*
>> listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazine.
>> In it, he states "While about 80% of the original Tiger sales were
>> located on the west coast, ownership opportunities now exist nationwide.=
"
>>
>> While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I had
>> never heard it quantified.
>> Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retail
>> outlet distribution.
>>
>> Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
>> Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentation o=
n
>> ports of entry and retail distribution?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Cheers
>> B
>>
>> Brian Glenn
>> P.O. Box 578
>> Julian, CA 92036-0578
>> 714.345.9883
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">I b=
ought my Tiger from Diehl Motors -Waynesboro/Staunton VA in 1967.=C2=A0 Die=
hl Motors was a Chrysler dealer.=C2=A0 My car was one of two cars that they=
 had on the lot.=C2=A0 The title for my 1A read 1966/67.=C2=A0 Back then it=
 was customary for a dealer to give foreign cars the benefit of the doubt a=
s to whether they were the current or the next-year model.=C2=A0 Obviously =
the dealer didn&#39;t know that the 1967 tiger, the MKII, represented=C2=A0=
a significant=C2=A0model change.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D=
"font-size:small">I&#39;m pretty sure that POE for my car was Baltimore, an=
d judging from the odometer reading on my (new) Tiger, it looks like it was=
 driven from=C2=A0Baltimore to the dealership.</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr">Will - 3=
82001570 <br><a href=3D"mailto:Tigers@embarqmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Tig=
ers@embarqmail.com</a></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:34 PM=
 Stu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sabre2tgr@gmail.com";>sabre2tgr@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">For Allan:=
=C2=A0 TBON lists 4 dealers in Atlanta, three of which allegedly carried Su=
nbeam products.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"=
><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small">In the li=
st of dealers for Massachusetts, there is also a &quot;Boston Warehouse&quo=
t; mentioned.=C2=A0 The address is on a pier at the waterfront, what today =
is the Black Falcon cruise terminal.=C2=A0 So it appears that Boston was al=
so a POE for Rootes products.=C2=A0 Odd, since I don&#39;t see any other me=
ntion of a warehouse in other likely ports, NY, Baltimore, Savannah, Long B=
each, San Francisco, etc.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"=
>Also odd, there are three pages of dealer listings for California, but alm=
ost 5 pages of dealer listings for the NY/NJ area.=C2=A0 Yet according to t=
he cited statistic, most of the Tigers went west.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small">Stu</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 8:41 =
PM Allan Ballard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com"; target=3D"_b=
lank">aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204=
,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks for this very interesting commentar=
y.<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ve always wondered how Sunbeam distribution=
 across the country took place.=C2=A0 My Mk1a is</div><div>An Oklahoma car =
for example.</div><div><br></div><div>Here in Atlanta there were only a few=
 Tigers on the streets in the 60=E2=80=99s. I don=E2=80=99t know if there</=
div><div>Was a dealership or not. Used Tigers and Alpines were sold out of =
the Atlanta newspaper=E2=80=99s classified</div><div>ads for =E2=80=9CBriti=
sh cars.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>That=E2=80=99s where I fou=
nd my first Tiger, a Midnight Blue Mk1.</div><div><br></div><div>I recall r=
eading about MkII=E2=80=99s but seeing just one. I=E2=80=99ve come to appre=
ciate MkII styling</div><div>But back in the day the absence of side =E2=80=
=9Cstripe=E2=80=9D left me skeptical.</div><div><br></div><div>Allan Ballar=
d</div><div>-Atlanta</div><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>On A=
ug 23, 2022, at 2:07 PM, GARY WINBLAD &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:garywinblad@com=
cast.net" target=3D"_blank">garywinblad@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br=
><div>

 =20
  =20
=20
 <div>
  <div>
   For sure they came into the port at LA(Long Beach?).
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   The 80% (I think) is just a number out of his A$$...
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   He was back east or Canada, he didn&#39;t get one new, just many years l=
ater (I think).
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   The hot rod scene was California and the weather definetly favors a conv=
ertible.
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   But he was right, most came to the west coast due to demand.=C2=A0 That =
is why you=20
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   see more MK2s back east, by the time they came out, everyone in the west=
 already
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   had a MK1=C2=A0 with a 289 (info from the late Paul Reisentz).
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   Gary
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <br>
  </div>
  <blockquote type=3D"cite">
   <div>
    On 08/23/2022 10:47 AM steve wick via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tige=
rs@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div>
    <br>
   </div>
   <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
    I don&#39;t have definitive information, but the cars could have been a=
ll delivered to east coast ports, then transported from there. Where they w=
ould have been sold was just a function of where the dealers in the network=
 were located.
   </div>
   <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
    <br>
   </div>
   <div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
    Steve
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ture_bookmark">
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donsend">
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    <br>
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   <div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"gmail-m_-5974597630672792798gmail-m_-231141968288=
5749726divRplyFwdMsg">
    <span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><strong>F=
rom:</strong> Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of Brian G=
lenn via Tigers &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bla=
nk">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, August =
22, 2022 9:58 PM<br><strong>To:</strong> Tigers Den &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
igers@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><s=
trong>Subject:</strong> [Tigers] Original Tiger Port of Entry and Sales Inf=
ormation</span>
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     <br>
    </div>
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   <div>
    <div style=3D"font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;,Helvetica,Arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:16px">
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      All,
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      I was reviewing a well researched 1995 article <em>What is a Sunbeam =
Tiger?</em> listed on the STOA website by Von Levandowski from Cobra Magazi=
ne.
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      In it, he states &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(10,10,10);font-family=
:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:justify">While about 80% of the orig=
inal Tiger sales were located on the west coast, ownership opportunities no=
w exist nationwide.</span>&quot;
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      While I knew the majority of Tigers were delivered to California, I h=
ad never heard it quantified.
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      Our Tiger research has always lacked data on delivery ports and retai=
l outlet distribution.
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      <br>
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      Does anyone know from where this 80% figure was obtained?
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      Does anyone have additional or contradictory information/documentatio=
n on ports of entry and retail distribution?
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      Thanks in advance.
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      Cheers
     </div>
     <div dir=3D"ltr">
      B
     </div>
     <div>
      <br>
     </div>
     <div>
      Brian Glenn
      <br>P.O. Box 578
      <br>Julian, CA 92036-0578
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