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That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to drain=
the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my fresh MC, =
fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see purple fluid. The n=
ew will push out the old. If I kept the dot 4 I would have done this anyway=
just to get rid of the old fluid and possible water.
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Bud R <levile=
vi@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 1:30:44 AM
To: dave n
Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 brake master cylinder
I changed to silicone brake fluid 19 years ago and have had no problems wha=
tsoever.
And based on recommendations from the list I didn=92t flush anything. I pul=
l the silicone fluid in and bled the brakes until it showed up (NAPA brand =
is purple) at the bleed screws. No muss no fuss, no problems, and I get to =
keep the paint in the engine bay.
Bud Rolofson
Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
om>> wrote:
I actually spoke to a moss employee about that a few years ago. he said th=
e reason that moss discourages the use of silicone fluid is liability. if =
you just start adding silicone fluid to your dot 3/4 brake system, bad thin=
gs will happen. they don't want that. if you switch, you need to fully dr=
ain and flush the system.
I, too, have been using silicone (dot 5) in my cars for over a decade. neve=
r a problem due to the silicone.
the arguments, at least for me, are pretty simple.
dot 4/5 eats paint, absorbs water (that's hygroscopic, NOT hydroscopic), an=
d must be bled annually. and when you bleed it, you better be careful abou=
t the paint in the wheel wells!
dot 5 doesn't. it is slippery and messy, so yes, you should catch it with=
a tube as well.
if you are painting a car, or some part, be very very careful about silicon=
e, even being in the air. it will cause orange peel.
the pedal feel with dot 4/5 is a little firmer.
want better stopping - get better brake pads. I got really aggressive pads=
on my TR6 and noticed a huge difference. still silicone.
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That was going to be my next question. About how carefully one had to drain=
the dot 4 when installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my fresh MC, =
fill it with silicone, then bleed each brake till I see purple fluid. The n=
ew will push out the old. If I kept
the dot 4 I would have done this anyway just to get rid of the old fluid a=
nd possible water.
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<div>I changed to silicone brake fluid 19 years ago and have had no problem=
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<div>And based on recommendations from the list I didn=92t flush anything. =
I pull the silicone fluid in and bled the brakes until it showed up (NAPA b=
rand is purple) at the bleed screws. No muss no fuss, no problems, and I ge=
t to keep the paint in the engine
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few years ago. he said the reason that moss discourages the use of si=
licone fluid is liability. if you just start adding silicone fluid to=
your dot 3/4 brake system, bad things will
happen. they don't want that. if you switch, you need to fully=
drain and flush the system.<br>
<br>
I, too, have been using silicone (dot 5) in my cars for over a decade. neve=
r a problem due to the silicone.<br>
<br>
the arguments, at least for me, are pretty simple.<br>
<br>
dot 4/5 eats paint, absorbs water (that's hygroscopic, NOT hydroscopic), an=
d must be bled annually. and when you bleed it, you better be careful=
about the paint in the wheel wells!<br>
<br>
dot 5 doesn't. it is slippery and messy, so yes, you should cat=
ch it with a tube as well.<br>
<br>
if you are painting a car, or some part, be very very careful about silicon=
e, even being in the air. it will cause orange peel.<br>
<br>
the pedal feel with dot 4/5 is a little firmer.<br>
<br>
want better stopping - get better brake pads. I got really aggressive=
pads on my TR6 and noticed a huge difference. still silicone.<br>
<br>
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