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A fill and flush of DOT5 will NOT fully clean out the line of all Dot3.<br =
/><br />(silicon will not flush dino based fluids..although the reverse is =
true with amble flushing)<br /><br />ptegler<br /> <br /></div><div>&n=
bsp;</div><div> </div><div> </div><span>Paul Tegler<br />ptegler@=
verizon.net<br />www.teglerizer.com</span><div> </div><div style=3D"bo=
rder-top:1px solid #bcbcbc;margin:5px 0px;"></div><span style=3D"font-size:=
12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;">On 03/28/16, <span>Creig Houghtaling<c=
reig555@live.com></creig555@live.<span> wrote:</span><div> </div><d=
iv style=3D"font-size:12;font-family:arial;color:#000000;">That was going t=
o be my next question. About how carefully one had to drain the dot 4 when =
installing dot 5. It sounds like I can put in my fresh MC, fill it with sil=
icone, then bleed each brake till I see purple fluid. The new will push out=
the old. If I kept the dot 4 I would have done this anyway just to get rid=
of the old fluid and possible water.<br /><hr style=3D"display:inline-bloc=
k;width:98%" tabindex=3D"-1" /><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg"><font =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>=
From:</b> Triumphs <<a class=3D"parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bou=
nces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&=
gt; on behalf of Bud R <<a class=3D"parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:levilevi=
@comcast.net" target=3D"_blank">levilevi@comcast.net</a>><br /><b>Sent:<=
/b> Monday, March 28, 2016 1:30:44 AM<br /><b>To:</b> dave n<br /><b>Cc:</b=
> <a class=3D"parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br /><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR6 b=
rake master cylinder</font><div> </div></div><div>I changed to silicon=
e brake fluid 19 years ago and have had no problems whatsoever. <div>=
<br /></div><div>And based on recommendations from the list I didn=E2=80=99=
t flush anything. I pull the silicone fluid in and bled the brakes until it=
showed up (NAPA brand is purple) at the bleed screws. No muss no fuss, no =
problems, and I get to keep the paint in the engine bay.<br /><div><span cl=
ass=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helveti=
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ows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none;"><div style=3D"word-wrap:=
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-spac=
e;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"orphans: 2; text-align: -webk=
it-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: n=
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t-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D=
"orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effec=
t: none;"><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -w=
ebkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" styl=
e=3D"orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-e=
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Rolofson</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);=
font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-wei=
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one; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-t=
ext-stroke-width: 0px;"><br /></div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate=
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iant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: nor=
mal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-s=
pacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Extreme Parts Racing (mo=
re than just a haircut)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color=
: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: n=
ormal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; te=
xt-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing:=
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br /></div><div>71TR6 CC57365 (Good=
6)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font=
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troke-width: 0px;">71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3</div><div style=3D"border-=
collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style=
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ing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">69 Spitfire=
MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)</div><div style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-hei=
ght: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">93 Minnie Winnie Race=
Support Vehicle </div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color:=
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: no=
rmal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; tex=
t-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-T=
rail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)</div></div><div style=3D"border-collapse: sepa=
rate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-st=
yle: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: nor=
mal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-s=
pacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br /></=
div><div style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-fami=
ly: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; f=
ont-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-trans=
form: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; border-spacing: 0px; -w=
ebkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><br /></div></span><br class=3D"Apple-interc=
hange-newline" /></div></span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></d=
iv></span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></div></span><br class=
=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></div></span><br class=3D"Apple-interchang=
e-newline" /></div></span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></div><=
/span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></div></span><br class=3D"A=
pple-interchange-newline" style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvet=
ica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight=
: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-=
align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" /><br cla=
ss=3D"Apple-interchange-newline" /></div><br /><div><div>On Mar 27, 2016, a=
t 6:27 PM, dave n <<a class=3D"parsedEmail" href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.=
com" target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Ap=
ple-interchange-newline" /><blockquote type=3D"cite">I actually spoke to a =
moss employee about that a few years ago. he said the reason that mos=
s discourages the use of silicone fluid is liability. if you just sta=
rt adding silicone fluid to your dot 3/4 brake system, bad things will happ=
en. they don't want that. if you switch, you need to fully drai=
n and flush the system.<br /><br />I, too, have been using silicone (dot 5)=
in my cars for over a decade. never a problem due to the silicone.<br /><b=
r />the arguments, at least for me, are pretty simple.<br /><br />dot 4/5 e=
ats paint, absorbs water (that's hygroscopic, NOT hydroscopic), and must be=
bled annually. and when you bleed it, you better be careful about th=
e paint in the wheel wells!<br /><br />dot 5 doesn't. it is sli=
ppery and messy, so yes, you should catch it with a tube as well.<br /><br =
/>if you are painting a car, or some part, be very very careful about silic=
one, even being in the air. it will cause orange peel.<br /><br />the=
pedal feel with dot 4/5 is a little firmer.<br /><br />want better stoppin=
g - get better brake pads. I got really aggressive pads on my TR6 and=
noticed a huge difference. still silicone.<br /><br /><br /><br />**=
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