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Re: [TR] The Gift of a Triumph

To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] The Gift of a Triumph
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 09:26:24 -0500 (EST)
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Sending again


> On December 20, 2018 at 2:51 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:
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>     Oops.  Forgot the attachment.
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>         > > On December 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.=
net> wrote:
> >=20
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> >         Am lucky in having two generations who love the car.  The one p=
ictured here is my youngest son Connor with his nephew, my grandson.  Conno=
r was military intelligence in the army, served in the Middle East.  Now he=
's studying Engineering at UNH.  Before that, when he was 12 years old in 7=
th grade, I drove him around in the TR3 with the top down.  I made the mist=
ake of teaching him that, if a car is tailgating behind you, all you had to=
 do was make a show of spittting straight up into the air and letting the a=
ir current do the rest.  I think it was all he could think of for the next =
year as he rode with me.  We lost a lot of saliva on Route 3A.  Just saying=
.  Ever since he got his drivers license, he's pestered me to let him drive=
 it.  I'd have let him take it to the senior prom, but it was undergoing an=
 engine rebuild at the time.=20
> >=20
> >=20
> >         I've always wondered, though, and perhaps you all have some tho=
ughts, about how long we can count on having TRF and Moss Motors supplying =
such amazing support for these cars?
> >=20
> >=20
> >         Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> >=20
> >         New Hampshire
> >=20
> >             > > > On December 19, 2018 at 8:06 PM Harold Sawatsky <hsaw=
atsk@sasktel.net> wrote:
> > >=20
> > >             =20
> > >             Luckily (at least so far) my kids love the old man :) My =
son that is most capable actually really likes the 3. Everyone is really lo=
oking forward to getting in and taking a turn driving the relic. Way too mu=
ch of completing the restoration is in my head so we better finish up soon =
cause ya never know !!! Trust me, it's all fun. Great experience with all t=
he kids and grandkids. You guys should all enjoy these antiques and pass on=
 as much as you can to the next generation.=20
> > >=20
> > >             On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Sujit Roy < triumphstag@gmai=
l.com mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >                 > > > >                 Harold,
> > > >                 You need buy another couple of Triumphs to keep the=
m all happy.
> > > >=20
> > > >                 I have another twist which came from the trust lawy=
er. Just because you like something, don't hand it down your kids They will=
 hate you. I have  Stag and working on another. I cant see traits in neithe=
r of my boys (16 and 11 years)   working on cars. The Stag runs OK, but I'm=
 on top of it.=20
> > > >=20
> > > >                 Sujit
> > > >=20
> > > >                 On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM Harold Sawatsky < h=
sawatsk@sasktel.net mailto:hsawatsk@sasktel.net > wrote:
> > > >=20
> > > >                     > > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Lots of important questions. I have 3 kids th=
at all wanted the small mouth 3. Daughter and 2 sons. I have done a frame u=
p and restoring it back to factory (still working on it but getting there).=
 I have footed the bill for all parts and most will know it=E2=80=99s not c=
heap. Whoever gets it will drive it the way I did. Not a big deal at all. L=
ive in Canada and drove it all over the western US as far as Mexico. A grea=
t experience.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Choice of who will get it came down to a few =
factors. Oldest son wanted it because he is the oldest. Unfortunately not m=
echanically inclined but had no problem getting his hands dirty. Daughter r=
eally wanted it because she=E2=80=99s my daughter. Have to say I made her t=
ake the head off her 1st car to get a valve job done and do oil changes but=
 I was there to help. Great reason but if something happened it would sit. =
Youngest son wants it AND he has helped in the tear down and the rebuild. H=
e=E2=80=99s a white collar worker but mechanically inclined. Not afraid to =
work on it and get er done. He=E2=80=99s offered to help paying for the bod=
y work. He=E2=80=99s the logical choice. Was always a bit concerned what th=
e others would say but they both understand completely. Was never a choice =
to sell it and split the money. Family heirloom.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     My 2 cents
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=
.team.net mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of dave
> > > > >                     Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 10:37 AM
> > > > >                     To: triumphs@autox.team.net mailto:triumphs@a=
utox.team.net
> > > > >                     Subject: Re: [TR] The Gift of a Triumph
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     All good advice.   But i think the most impor=
tant question has not been asked.  =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     If she really really wants this car,  what yo=
u are doing is quite wonderful.   However,  if she is not prepared for side=
screens, a top that is difficult to put up,  no power anything, i question =
whether this is a gift or a burden.   I know that my daughter, who is 28, w=
ould not like this gift.   She had grown up around these cars, and has some=
 understanding of what ownership means.   She is very much on board with in=
heriting my 350z convertible,  manual shift.=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Just my 2 cents
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     -------- Original message --------
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.c=
om mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com >
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Date: 12/16/18 8:24 AM (GMT-06:00)
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     To: triumphs@autox.team.net mailto:triumphs@a=
utox.team.net
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     Subject: Re: [TR] The Gift of a Triumph
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     =20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     This thread is getting silly. Just bring a ca=
r to original factory spec
> > > > >                     with all the parts in spec then have it profe=
ssionally serviced per the
> > > > >                     factory manual. They were considered dependab=
le drivers when new and
> > > > >                     many that have problems today experience what=
 happens from worn parts
> > > > >                     and delayed maintenance.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     TeriAnn
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > >                     > On 12/15/18, Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s@aol.=
com mailto:L1j1s@aol.com > wrote:
> > > > >                     >> In addition to Andrew=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=
=A2s  suggestion, one can consider the following a
> > > > >                     >> alternator, pertronix, electric fan and a =
Dan Masters wiring system. Larry
> > > > >                     >> Schwartz
> > > > >                     >>
> > > > >=20
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tox.team.net **
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> > > >                 --
> > > >                 Sujit Roy
> > > >                 Cupertino, California
> > > >=20
> > > >                 https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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    <meta charset=3D"UTF-8">
</head><body>Sending again<br>

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  <blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20
    On December 20, 2018 at 2:51 PM TERRY SMITH &#60;terryrs@comcast.net&#6=
2; wrote:
   <br>
   <br>
   <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; =
color: rgb(51,51,51);">Oops.&#160; Forgot the attachment.<br></p>
   <blockquote type=3D"cite">
    On December 20, 2018 at 2:20 PM TERRY SMITH &#60;terryrs@comcast.net&#6=
2; wrote:=20
    <br>=20
    <br>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;">Am lucky in having two generations who love the car.&#160=
; The one pictured here is my youngest son Connor with his nephew, my grand=
son.&#160; Connor was military intelligence in the army, served in the Midd=
le East.&#160; Now he&#39;s studying Engineering at UNH.&#160; Before that,=
 when he was 12 years old in 7th grade, I drove him around in the TR3 with =
the top down.&#160; I made the mistake of teaching him that, if a car is ta=
ilgating behind you, all you had to do was make a show of spittting straigh=
t up into the air and letting the air current do the rest.&#160; I think it=
 was all he could think of for the next year as he rode with me.&#160; We l=
ost a lot of saliva on Route 3A.&#160; Just saying.&#160; Ever since he got=
 his drivers license, he&#39;s pestered me to let him drive it.&#160; I&#39=
;d have let him take it to the senior prom, but it was undergoing an engine=
 rebuild at the time.&#160; <br></p>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;"><br></p>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;">I&#39;ve always wondered, though, and perhaps you all hav=
e some thoughts, about how long we can count on having TRF and Moss Motors =
supplying such amazing support for these cars?<br></p>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;"><br></p>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;">Terry Smith, &#39;59 TR3A<br></p>
    <p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif;=
 color: #333333;">New Hampshire<br></p>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
     On December 19, 2018 at 8:06 PM Harold Sawatsky &#60;hsawatsk@sasktel.=
net&#62; wrote:=20
     <br>=20
     <br>
     <div>
      &#160;=20
      <br>
     </div>
     <div>
      Luckily (at least so far) my kids love the old man :) My son that is =
most capable actually really likes the 3. Everyone is really looking forwar=
d to getting in and taking a turn driving the relic. Way too much of comple=
ting the restoration is in my head so we better finish up soon cause ya nev=
er know !!! Trust me, it&#39;s all fun. Great experience with all the kids =
and grandkids. You guys should all enjoy these antiques and pass on as much=
 as you can to the next generation.&#160;
     </div>
     <div>
      <br>On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Sujit Roy &#60;=20
      <a href=3D"mailto:triumphstag@gmail.com";>triumphstag@gmail.com</a>&#6=
2; wrote:=20
      <br>=20
      <br>
     </div>
     <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <div>
       <div dir=3D"ltr">
        Harold,
        <div>
         You need buy another couple of Triumphs to keep them all happy.
        </div>
        <div>
         <br>
        </div>
        <div>
         I have another twist which came from the trust lawyer. Just becaus=
e you like something, don&#39;t hand it down your kids They will hate you. =
I have&#160; Stag and working on another. I cant see traits in neither of m=
y boys (16 and 11 years)&#160; &#160;working on cars. The Stag runs OK, but=
 I&#39;m on top&#160;of it.&#160;
        </div>
        <div>
         <br>
        </div>
        <div>
         Sujit
        </div>
       </div>
       <br>
       <div class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-gmail_quote">
        <div dir=3D"ltr">
         On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM Harold Sawatsky &#60;=20
         <a href=3D"mailto:hsawatsk@sasktel.net";>hsawatsk@sasktel.net</a>&#=
62; wrote:=20
         <br>
        </div>
        <blockquote>
         <div>
          <div class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-gmail-m_-38831464681450=
62672WordSection1">
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Lots=
 of important questions. I have 3 kids that all wanted the small mouth 3. D=
aughter and 2 sons. I have done a frame up and restoring it back to factory=
 (still working on it but getting there). I have footed the bill for all pa=
rts and most will know it&#8217;s not cheap. Whoever gets it will drive it =
the way I did. Not a big deal at all. Live in Canada and drove it all over =
the western US as far as Mexico. A great experience. <u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">Choi=
ce of who will get it came down to a few factors. Oldest son wanted it beca=
use he is the oldest. Unfortunately not mechanically inclined but had no pr=
oblem getting his hands dirty. Daughter really wanted it because she&#8217;=
s my daughter. Have to say I made her take the head off her 1<sup>st</sup> =
car to get a valve job done and do oil changes but I was there to help. Gre=
at reason but if something happened it would sit. Youngest son wants it AND=
 he has helped in the tear down and the rebuild. He&#8217;s a white collar =
worker but mechanically inclined. Not afraid to work on it and get er done.=
 He&#8217;s offered to help paying for the body work. He&#8217;s the logica=
l choice. Was always a bit concerned what the others would say but they bot=
h understand completely. Was never a choice to sell it and split the money.=
 Family heirloom.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u><=
/u>&#160;<u></u></span></p>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;">My 2=
 cents<u></u><u></u></span></p>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: #1f497d;"><u><=
/u>&#160;<u></u></span></p>
           <div>
            <div style=3D"border-right: none; border-bottom: none; border-l=
eft: none; border-top: 1pt solid #b5c4df; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;">
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><strong><sp=
an style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;">From:</span><=
/strong><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;"> T=
riumphs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <strong>On Behalf Of </str=
ong>dave<br><strong>Sent:</strong> Sunday, December 16, 2018 10:37 AM<br><s=
trong>To:</strong> <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] The =
Gift of a Triumph<u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><u></u>&#160;=
<u></u></p>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal">All good advi=
ce.&#160; &#160;But i think the most important question has not been asked.=
&#160; &#160;<u></u><u></u></p>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><u></u>&#160=
;<u></u></p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal">If she reall=
y really wants this car,&#160; what you are doing is quite wonderful.&#160;=
 &#160;However,&#160; if she is not prepared for sidescreens, a top that is=
 difficult to put up,&#160; no power anything<span style=3D"font-family: Ar=
ial,sans-serif;">, i question whether this is a gift or a burden.&#160; &#1=
60;I know that my daughter, who is 28, would not like this gift.&#160; &#16=
0;She had grown up around these cars, and has some understanding of what ow=
nership means.&#160; &#160;She is very much on board with inheriting my 350=
z convertible,&#160; manual shift.&#160;</span><u></u><u></u></p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><u></u>&#160=
;<u></u></p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family: Arial,sans-serif;">Just my 2 cents</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
           </div>
           <div>
            <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><u></u>&#160=
;<u></u></p>
           </div>
           <div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;">-------- Original message --------<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
            </div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;">From: &#34;TeriAnn J. Wakeman&#34; &#60;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:tjwakeman@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>&#62; <u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;">Date: 12/16/18 8:24 AM (GMT-06:00) <u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
            </div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;">To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; target=3D=
"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;">Subject: Re: [TR] The Gift of a Triumph <u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
            </div>
            <div>
             <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"color: black;"><u></u>&#160;<u></u></span></p>
            </div>
           </div>
           <p class=3D"ox-5be14f4ba1-ox-d483c0c531-MsoNormal">This thread i=
s getting silly. Just bring a car to original factory spec <br>with all the=
 parts in spec then have it professionally serviced per the <br>factory man=
ual. They were considered dependable drivers when new and <br>many that hav=
e problems today experience what happens from worn parts <br>and delayed ma=
intenance.<br><br>TeriAnn<br><br><br>&#62; On 12/15/18, Lawarence Schwartz =
&#60;<a href=3D"mailto:L1j1s@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">L1j1s@aol.com</a>&#=
62; wrote:<br>&#62;&#62; In addition to Andrew&#226;&#8364;=E2=84=A2s&#160;=
 suggestion, one can consider the following a<br>&#62;&#62; alternator, per=
tronix, electric fan and a Dan Masters wiring system. Larry<br>&#62;&#62; S=
chwartz<br>&#62;&#62;<br><br>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href=3D"=
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