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Hi Dave,
Doesn=E2=80=99t the TR3 have a voltage regulator for the fuel and temperatur=
e gauges like the TR4 and TR4A?=20
Dave Connitt=20
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 30, 2019, at 12:10 AM, Wbeech@flash.net <wbeech@flash.net> wrote:
>=20
> Barney at Mgaguru.com is a good guy that knows his stuff. Ohms should ro=
ughly go from 10-90(Barney says 0-70) with the clothes hanger and all wires d=
isconnected. =20
>=20
> Check all your related connections, the sender and the gauge need to be gr=
ounded. =20
>=20
> I would expect 12v at the hot post of the gauge. If your not getting it t=
ry a direct jumper and test the system. New gauges are NLA but you can eit=
her find them on eBay or other parts sites, or send your gauge AND sender to=
one of the several reputable instrument rebuilders.=20
>=20
> Bill B
> TS30800L
>=20
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
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> On May 29, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Dave MacKay <dave@mdmackay.ca> wrote:
>=20
> Hello:
>=20
> I=E2=80=99ve been troubleshooting the fuel gauge on my TR3A because it has=
not been providing an accurate indication (or even a reasonable approximati=
on) of the fuel level in my tank.
>=20
> I referred to a number of documents and old posts about how to troubleshoo=
t and calibrate the fuel gauge and sending unit (e.g., https://www.triumphex=
p.com/forum/tr2-and-tr3-forum.6/faulty-fuel-gauge-57-tr-3.1244960/ and http:=
//mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01.htm).
>=20
> I started by looping a clothes hanger around the float in the tank and rea=
ding how many ohms I saw at different levels. What I found was that the read=
ing fluctuated --- it didn=E2=80=99t stay the same even when I held the floa=
t at one level. I then checked to ensure that the grounds were good (they we=
re). Before concluding that the sending unit was flakey, I thought I=E2=80=99=
d better ensure that I was getting good power to the unit.
>=20
> That=E2=80=99s where things got weird.
>=20
> - I read 7.6V between the sending unit and ground.
>=20
> - I read 7.65V between the T terminal of the fuel gauge (which conne=
cts to the fuel tank sending unit) and ground. However, this reading was err=
atic; the value would change to, say 4V.
>=20
> - I read 10.6V at the B terminal of the fuel gauge
>=20
> - I read 10.9V at the A4 terminal of the fuse box.
>=20
> - I read 11.9V at the A2 terminal of the fuse box.
>=20
> - I read 12.5v between the terminals of the battery.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m a bit baffled. I expected that I=E2=80=99d see about 12V at al=
l points. Even if the fuel gauge was bad, I would have expected to see the s=
ame voltage at the battery, A2, A4, and the B terminal of the gauge. As it i=
s, I=E2=80=99m seeing a drop of about 2V among them.
>=20
> What might be causing the voltage drops that I=E2=80=99m seeing? Could it b=
e as simple as a broken fuel gauge? If so, how could I test that?
>=20
> Moss lists the fuel gauge as NLA. Does anyone know of another source?
>=20
> BTW, when I switched my generator for an alternator years ago, I eliminate=
d the control box (regulator).
>=20
> Thanks in advance.
>=20
> Dave MacKay
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> TR3A s/n 68639L
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> near Toronto, Canada
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Hi Dave,<div>Doesn=E2=80=99t the TR3 have a=
voltage regulator for the fuel and temperature gauges like the TR4 and TR4A=
? </div><div>Dave Connitt <br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" d=
ir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On May 30, 2019, at=
12:10 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:Wbeech@flash.net";>Wbeech@flash.net</a> <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:wbeech@flash.net";>wbeech@flash.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type=
" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Barney at <a href=3D"http://Mgaguru=
.com">Mgaguru.com</a> is a good guy that knows his stuff. Ohms should=
roughly go from 10-90(Barney says 0-70) with the clothes hanger and all wir=
es disconnected. <div><br></div><div>Check all your related connection=
s, the sender and the gauge need to be grounded. <br><div><br></div><d=
iv>I would expect 12v at the hot post of the gauge. If your not gettin=
g it try a direct jumper and test the system. New gauges are NLA but y=
ou can either find them on eBay or other parts sites, or send your gauge AND=
sender to one of the several reputable instrument rebuilders. </div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Bill B</div><div>TS30800L<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSigna=
ture" dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Ma=
y 29, 2019, at 10:29 PM, Dave MacKay <<a href=3D"mailto:dave@mdmackay.ca"=
>dave@mdmackay.ca</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">
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<title>Troubleshooting TR3A fuel gauge</title>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Hello:</font></sp=
an></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I=E2=80=99ve been=
troubleshooting the</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">fuel gauge on my T=
R3A</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">because it has not been providing a=
n accurate indication</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">(or even</font><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> a reasonable approximation)</font></span><spa=
n lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <f=
ont face=3D"Calibri">of the fuel level in my tank.</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D=
"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I referred to a n=
umber of documents and old posts about how to troubleshoot and calibrate the=
fuel</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> gauge and sending unit (e.g.,</f=
ont></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span><a href=3D"https://www.triumphexp.co=
m/forum/tr2-and-tr3-forum.6/faulty-fuel-gauge-57-tr-3.1244960/"><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><u><font col=
or=3D"#0563C1" face=3D"Calibri">https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr2-and-tr3=
-forum.6/faulty-fuel-gauge-57-tr-3.1244960/</font></u></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"></span></a><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> and</font></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"> </span><a href=3D"http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_01htm";><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><u><fon=
t color=3D"#0563C1" face=3D"Calibri">http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/fg_0=
1.htm</font></u></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></a><span lang=3D"en-ca">=
</span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibr=
i">).</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I</font></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <=
font face=3D"Calibri">started by looping a clothes hanger around the float i=
n the tank and reading how many ohms I saw at different levels. What I found=
was that the reading fluctuated --- it</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri=
">didn=E2=80=99t stay the same even when I held the float at one level. I th=
en checked to ensure that the grounds were good (</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D=
"Calibri">they</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> were). Before</font></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">concludin</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">=
g that the</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">sending unit</font></span><=
span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca">=
<font face=3D"Calibri"> was flakey</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">, I t=
ho</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><spa=
n lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">ught I=E2=80=99d</font></span><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font=
face=3D"Calibri">better ensure that</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> I=
was getting good power to the unit.</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">That=E2=80=99s wh=
ere things got weird.</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">I read 7.6V between the sending unit a=
nd ground</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">.</font></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">read</font></span><span la=
ng=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font f=
ace=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">7.65V</font></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
font face=3D"Calibri"> between the T terminal of the fuel gauge</font></span=
><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca=
"> <font face=3D"Calibri">(which connects to the fuel tank sendin</font></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">g unit)</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">and=
ground.</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"></font></span><span lang=3D"en=
-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"=
Calibri">However, this reading was erratic; the value would change to, say 4=
V.</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><spa=
n lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></=
span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">read 10.6V</font></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <=
font face=3D"Calibri">at the B termin</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">a=
l of the fuel gauge</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">I read</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">10.9V at the A4 termi=
nal</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> of the fuse box</font></span><span=
lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><fon=
t face=3D"Calibri">.</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">I read 11.9V</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">at the A2 termin=
al of the fuse box.</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">- &nbs=
p; </font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"=
en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D=
"Calibri">I read 12.5v between the terminals of the battery.</font></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">I=E2=80=99m a bit=
baffled</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">. I expected that I=E2=80=99d s=
ee about 12V at all points.</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span l=
ang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">Even if th=
e</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">fuel</font></span><span lang=3D"en-c=
a"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Ca=
libri">gauge was bad, I would have expected</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca=
"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Cal=
ibri">to see</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">the same voltage at the b=
attery, A2, A4, and the B terminal of the gauge</font></span><span lang=3D"e=
n-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"=
Calibri">. As it is, I=E2=80=99m seeing a drop of about 2V among them.</font=
></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">What might be cau=
sing the v</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">oltage drops that I=E2=80=99=
m seeing? Could it be as simple as a broken fuel gauge? If so, how could I t=
est that?</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Moss lists the fu=
el gauge as NLA. Does anyone know of ano</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><=
/span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri=
">ther source?</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">BTW, w</font></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">hen I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><s=
pan lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">switc=
h</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span=
lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">ed</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca">=
</span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibr=
i"> my generator for an alternator</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> yea=
rs ago</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">,</font></span><span lang=3D"en-=
ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"C=
alibri">I</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></sp=
an><span lang=3D"en-ca"> <font face=3D"Calibri">eliminated the</font></span>=
<span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"=
> <font face=3D"Calibri">control box</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></spa=
n><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri"> (=
regulator)</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></s=
pan><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">.</font></span><span lang=3D=
"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"> </span></p>=
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Thanks in advance=
.</font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">Dave MacKay</font=
></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">TR3A s/n 68639L</=
font></span></p>
<p dir=3D"LTR"><span lang=3D"en-ca"><font face=3D"Calibri">near Toronto, Can=
ada</font></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><span lang=3D"en-ca"></span><sp=
an lang=3D"en-ca"></span></p>
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