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Jonas,
My Morgan is one of hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN. Seems when they
ordered the blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got
replicated. Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before getting
a letter from MMC explaining it. DMV used the 5 digit chassis number
without any questions.
Bill
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
jpaynepbr@cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:10 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard' <auprichard@uprichard.net>; 'Triumphs'
<triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] VINs
Andrew,
I have seen many mangled "VIN Numbers" on vintage car titles.
Apparently when DMV's across the country became computerized, there was no
standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5
digit serial number.
The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zeros
in front of the 4 digit serial number.
I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag
number
Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services, LLC
702.882.6711
We have Moved!
Our new offices are locted at:
3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
Las Vegas, NV 89120
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
Subject: [TR] VINs
I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. The
old title appropriately ended "LO", but I was told that "Os" and "Is" are no
longer acceptable in titles. So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to
"L0". Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to
them and have them send me a proof of insurance with "L0".
Anyone else come across this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I have
4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Jonas,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>My Morgan is one of =
hundreds with the same 17 digit VIN. Seems when they ordered the =
blank VIN plates there was a sample number inserted that got =
replicated. Had a brief skirmish with the insurance company before =
getting a letter from MMC explaining it. DMV used the 5 digit =
chassis number without any questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>jpaynepbr@cox.net<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 4:10 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Andrew Uprichard' <auprichard@uprichard.net>; =
'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; =
6pack@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] =
VINs<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have seen =
many mangled “VIN Numbers” on vintage car =
titles.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Apparently when DMV’s across the country became =
computerized, there was no standard on how to input 17 digits in on a =
title for a car with a 4 or 5 digit serial number. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii =
was to insert 13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial =
number.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was =
AHEALEYBJ then the body tag number<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jonas =
Payne<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>PBR Consulting Services, =
LLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>702.882.6711<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i>We =
have Moved!<o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Our new offices =
are locted at:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3191 E. Warm =
Springs Rd. #13<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Las Vegas, NV =
89120<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>; =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:6pack@autox.team.net";>6pack@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subje=
ct:</b> [TR] VINs<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I just went to get a title =
on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. The old title =
appropriately ended “LO”, but I was told that =
“Os” and “Is” are no longer acceptable in =
titles. So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =
“L0”. Then I had to call the insurance company to =
explain the same story to them and have them send me a proof of =
insurance with “L0”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Anyone else come across =
this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I have 4 cars =
with overdrive, but this was the first factory =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Jackson, =
MI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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