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Re: [TR] VINs

To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>, 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>, "6pack@autox.team.net" <6pack@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] VINs
From: Jonas Payne <jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 22:08:45 +0000
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Andrew,

I have seen many mangled "VIN Numbers" on vintage car titles.

Apparently when DMV's across the country became computerized, there was no =
standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5 di=
git serial number.

The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zeros=
 in front of the 4 digit serial number.

I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag n=
umber





Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services, LLC
702.882.6711

We have Moved!
Our new offices are locted at:

3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
Las Vegas, NV 89120

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andrew Uprich=
ard
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] VINs

I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive.  Th=
e old title appropriately ended "LO", but I was told that "Os" and "Is" are=
 no longer acceptable in titles.  So I had to change the VIN (on the title)=
 to "L0".  Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same sto=
ry to them and have them send me a proof of insurance with "L0".

Anyone else come across this?  Maybe it has been going on for years:  I hav=
e 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have seen many mangled &#8220;VIN Numbers&#8221; o=
n vintage car titles.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Apparently when DMV&#8217;s across the country becam=
e computerized, there was no standard on how to input 17 digits in on a tit=
le for a car with a 4 or 5 digit serial number.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii=
 was to insert 13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial number.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALE=
YBJ then the body tag number<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jonas Payne<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PBR Consulting Services, LLC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">702.882.6711<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i>We have Moved!<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Our new offices are locted at:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Las Vegas, NV 89120<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Triumphs &lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Andrew Uprichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' &lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;; 6pack@autox.team.net=
<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [TR] VINs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory over=
drive.&nbsp; The old title appropriately ended &#8220;LO&#8221;, but I was =
told that &#8220;Os&#8221; and &#8220;Is&#8221; are no longer acceptable in=
 titles.&nbsp; So
 I had to change the VIN (on the title) to &#8220;L0&#8221;.&nbsp; Then I h=
ad to call the insurance company to explain the same story to them and have=
 them send me a proof of insurance with &#8220;L0&#8221;.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Anyone else come across this?&nbsp; Maybe it has been going on fo=
r years:&nbsp; I have 4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory=
 one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;,serif">Jackson, MI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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