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I once had a TR3 where the title had the body number, starting with an "EB".
I went through hoops trying to get things changed, had a police officer come
look at the vin plate, copied books which showed that all TR3s had a vin
starting TS and ending with an L, etc, etc. Was about to get a correct
title, then discovered another car with the same VIN. I learned my lesson:
if the car has a title, leave it alone....
Andrew
From: Jonas Payne [mailto:jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:09 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard; 'Triumphs'; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] VINs
Andrew,
I have seen many mangled "VIN Numbers" on vintage car titles.
Apparently when DMV's across the country became computerized, there was no
standard on how to input 17 digits in on a title for a car with a 4 or 5
digit serial number.
The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii was to insert 13 zeros
in front of the 4 digit serial number.
I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was AHEALEYBJ then the body tag
number
Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services, LLC
702.882.6711
We have Moved!
Our new offices are locted at:
3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13
Las Vegas, NV 89120
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Andrew
Uprichard
Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] VINs
I just went to get a title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. The
old title appropriately ended "LO", but I was told that "Os" and "Is" are no
longer acceptable in titles. So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to
"L0". Then I had to call the insurance company to explain the same story to
them and have them send me a proof of insurance with "L0".
Anyone else come across this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I have
4 cars with overdrive, but this was the first factory one.
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>I once had =
a TR3 where the title had the body number, starting with an =
“EB”. I went through hoops trying to get things =
changed, had a police officer come look at the vin plate, copied books =
which showed that all TR3s had a vin starting TS and ending with an L, =
etc, etc. Was about to get a correct title, then discovered =
another car with the same VIN. I learned my lesson: if the =
car has a title, leave it =
alone…………<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Roman","serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Jonas Payne [mailto:jpayne@jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> =
Wednesday, November 6, 2019 5:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; =
'Triumphs'; 6pack@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] =
VINs<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have seen =
many mangled “VIN Numbers” on vintage car =
titles.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Apparently when DMV’s across the country became =
computerized, there was no standard on how to input 17 digits in on a =
title for a car with a 4 or 5 digit serial number. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The solution for my 1960 Morgan registered in Hawaii =
was to insert 13 zeros in front of the 4 digit serial =
number.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I had a 1964 AH 3000 with a CA title that was =
AHEALEYBJ then the body tag number<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Jonas =
Payne<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>PBR Consulting Services, =
LLC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>702.882.6711<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><i>We =
have Moved!<o:p></o:p></i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Our new offices =
are locted at:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>3191 E. Warm =
Springs Rd. #13<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Las Vegas, NV =
89120<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
<triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew =
Uprichard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 6, 2019 1:13 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.team.net>; =
6pack@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] =
VINs<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>I just went to get a =
title on a TR which came with a factory overdrive. The old title =
appropriately ended “LO”, but I was told that =
“Os” and “Is” are no longer acceptable in =
titles. So I had to change the VIN (on the title) to =
“L0”. Then I had to call the insurance company to =
explain the same story to them and have them send me a proof of =
insurance with “L0”.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Anyone else come across =
this? Maybe it has been going on for years: I have 4 cars =
with overdrive, but this was the first factory =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New =
Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Andrew =
Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'>Jackson, =
MI<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>
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