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Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????
From: "dave" <dave@ranteer.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:18:47 -0500
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Tested the battery out of the car

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From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com>=20
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM
To: dave@ranteer.com; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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Did you test directly at the battery terminals?

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It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.  If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.  I've seen it =
done.

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Many of the smart chargers will not do this.  Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.

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Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all =
manner of problems.  It is not recommended.

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Dave=20

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-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

Yes.  I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.  positive

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Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

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Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?

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On many modes they can be reversed.

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Geo

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On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com =

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn=E2=80=99t =
running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

=20

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery =
from another car.

=20

Set the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and =
decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it =
running and driving.

=20

Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!

=20

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to =
the electrical system.

=20

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on =
the negative, read -9.97

=20

Reversed it and got 9.97.

=20

Checked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not broken.

=20

Checked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.  Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about 12.97)

=20

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the =
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he =
must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

=20

Can anyone explain this to me?

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And yes, we are replacing the battery


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tested the =
battery out of the car<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY =
&lt;dave1massey@cs.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> dave@ranteer.com; =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Did=
 you test directly at the battery =
terminals?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It =
is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; If the =
battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the =
polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal =
and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.&nbsp; I've seen =
it done.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Man=
y of the smart chargers will not do this.&nbsp; Many will not charge a =
dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't =
care.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Con=
necting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner =
of problems.&nbsp; It is not =
recommended.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dav=
e </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>---=
--Original Message-----<br>From: dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Se=
nt: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3Dyiv7175562247><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes=
.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.&nbsp; =
positive<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=3Dyiv7175562247yqt86616><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fro=
m:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Geo Hahn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";>ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hav=
e you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
many modes they can be =
reversed.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Geo=
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On =
Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We =
bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; =
Wasn=E2=80=99t running or driving, needed some work, battery was =
dead.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tod=
ay we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Set=
 the jeep=E2=80=99s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided =
to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and =
driving.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hoo=
ked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dou=
ble checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the =
electrical system.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The=
 multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Rev=
ersed it and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the good battery =E2=80=93 no, the multimeter is not =
broken.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Che=
cked the jeep=E2=80=99s old battery again, same results.&nbsp; Good =
battery =E2=80=93 same results (about =
12.97)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Wha=
t is going on????&nbsp; how is this possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are =
replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have =
told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not =
possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can=
 anyone explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And=
 yes, we are replacing the =
battery<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p =
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