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Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????
From: "dave" <dave@ranteer.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:19:22 -0500
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Tested the battery out of the car

 

From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen@outlook.com> 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:18 AM
To: dave <dave@ranteer.com>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

 

Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, I'd guess. The battery
internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could
large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible
relative to the resistance of the multimeter.

 

Cliff

 

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net
<dave@ranteer.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? 

 

Yes.  I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.  positive

 

Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????

 

Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter?

 

On many modes they can be reversed.

 

Geo

 

On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <dave@ranteer.com

We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).  Wasn't running or
driving, needed some work, battery was dead.

 

Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from
another car.

 

Set the jeep's battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try
it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.

 

Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!

 

Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the
electrical system.

 

The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the
negative, read -9.97

 

Reversed it and got 9.97.

 

Checked the good battery - no, the multimeter is not broken.

 

Checked the jeep's old battery again, same results.  Good battery - same
results (about 12.97)

 

What is going on????  how is this possible?  Yes, we are replacing the
battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must
have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.

 

Can anyone explain this to me?

 

And yes, we are replacing the battery


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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>Tested the =
battery out of the car<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Cliff Hansen =
&lt;cliff_hansen@outlook.com&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 =
9:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;dave@ranteer.com&gt;; =
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going =
on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, =
I&#8217;d guess. The battery internal resistance (think of a resistor in =
series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current =
path on the car, but negligible relative to the resistance of the =
multimeter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Cliff<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/o0ukef";>Outlook for =
iOS</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><hr size=3D2 width=3D"98%" =
align=3Dcenter></div><div id=3DdivRplyFwdMsg><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'color:black'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'color:black'> Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>&gt; on behalf of dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b>=
 Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a> =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<b=
r><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Yes.&nbsp; I tested the good battery and it showed =
12.7 volts.&nbsp; positive<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3Dxmsonormal><b>From:</b> Geo Hahn &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com";>ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b=
>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Have =
you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the =
multimeter?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>On many modes they can be =
reversed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Geo<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:dave@ranteer.com";>dave@ranteer.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3Dxmsonormal>We bought a car a few months ago =
(an 88 jeep actually).&nbsp; Wasn&#8217;t running or driving, needed =
some work, battery was dead.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Today we =
finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from =
another car.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Set the jeep&#8217;s battery up on a charger a day or =
two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in =
getting it running and driving.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Hooked up =
the positive first, then touching the negative caused a =
spark!!!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Double checked that we had the ground to the engine =
and the positive to the electrical system.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>The =
multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the =
negative, read -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Reversed =
it and got 9.97.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Checked =
the good battery &#8211; no, the multimeter is not =
broken.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>Checked the jeep&#8217;s old battery again, same =
results.&nbsp; Good battery &#8211; same results (about =
12.97)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>What is going on????&nbsp; how is this =
possible?&nbsp; Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had =
told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the =
terminals, that its not possible.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>Can anyone =
explain this to me?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3Dxmsonormal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3Dxmsonormal>And yes, =
we are replacing the battery<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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