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Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB

To: "R. Harrington" <rharring@idirect.com>
Subject: Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB
From: "JOHN HARDEN" <JOHN.HARDEN@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:18:18 -0600
Hi Bob, I don't think that the message below went through the first time.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN HARDEN" <JOHN.HARDEN@worldnet.att.net>
To: "R. Harrington" <rharring@idirect.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB


> Hi Bob, Iasked exactly the same question, but Carl called and said 1 G was
> the group and that the Groups were about to be updated to reflect a number
> of changes. I thought taht the 2600cc displacement of the Healey was a
> little large for Group 1. Maybe he just felt that I could use a small
> handicap, since I am older that most. Regards,John
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "R. Harrington" <rharring@idirect.com>
> To: "JOHN HARDEN" <JOHN.HARDEN@worldnet.att.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 2:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB
>
>
> > John:
> >     Are you sure he didn't say 3G?   Check groups at http://www.svra.com
> > See you at Savannah
> > Bob H.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JOHN HARDEN <JOHN.HARDEN@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: Peter Krause <pkrause@attglobal.net>
> > Cc: Vintage list <vintage-race@autox.team.net>
> > Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 3:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB
> >
> >
> > >Hi Peter, Iam bringing an old tired Austin-Healey 100-4 to Savannah
next
> > >weekend. The powers that be, Carl Jensen , tell me that I will run in
> Group
> > >1G. Does that mean that I will get to run with the Alfas and MGB's?
> > Regards,
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Peter Krause" <pkrause@attglobal.net>
> > >To: <vintage-race-digest@autox.team.net>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 11:47 AM
> > >Subject: Re: Fiat 124 vs MGB
> > >
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> There is no question that in vintage circles the MGB's are pretty
well
> > >> developed, but I sure like the Fiat 124. Don Munoz, Les Gonda and
John
> > >> Targett are the MGB pace-setters, good drivers in good, straight,
> legal,
> > >> fast cars. There is always Cambridge Motorsports stuff if you want to
> > >> develop the B engine further ;-) but Robert Vick and Mr. Rodgers in
> Texas
> > >> and myself try to "take it to them" every chance we get! To me there
is
> > no
> > >> comparison, Italian looks, handling and style versus literally
British
> > >> "Iron." Fire away, boys!
> > >>
> > >> I race a Fiat 124 because it is what I can afford, I love the way it
> > >sounds
> > >> and because my first professional job turning wrenches was in a Fiat
> > >> dealership in Durham, North Carolina founded in 1967 and operating
out
> of
> > >an
> > >> old tobacco warehouse, sure smelled good! I raced a Fiat 850 Spider
for
> > >many
> > >> years, built six more for customers and wanted something quicker.
Well,
> > >the
> > >> 124 is certainly quicker. The 1438cc and 1608cc engines are tough to
> come
> > >by
> > >> but share the same architecture. The 1438cc (G Production) is not
well
> > >> classed in most organizations but one did win the the SCCA Runoffs
this
> > >> year. I have a 1438cc that I can "plug in" my car that sat on the
front
> > >row
> > >> of the G Production grid at the Runoffs at Road Atlanta in 1991, but
> it's
> > >> enough of a grenade that I save it for a spare. I ran a 1608cc for
five
> > >> years and have now moved up to the more available 1756cc engine,
since
> > >both
> > >> engines have been for a long time been classified in F Production.
The
> > >MGB's
> > >> are currently (and have always been, I believe) classed in E
> Production.
> > >> There is a distinct lack of "go fast" parts which limits me to the
use
> of
> > >> stock gearbox and rear axle ratios, but you can adapt Chevy
connecting
> > >rods
> > >> and have pistons made. It's a great, relatively inexpensive race car
> and
> > >is
> > >> getting increasingly common on the vintage scene (mine IS for sale).
I
> > >know
> > >> of two going together in my neck of the woods (one fellow has my old
> > 1608)
> > >> and several 2-liter cars in Texas (the most modern iteration of the
> > >classic
> > >> Fiat Twin Cam.) In closing, I view the German cars, bigger, heavier
> TR's
> > >AND
> > >> MGB's as rivals on the track to the 124, but they are ALL evocative
of
> > the
> > >> reason why we do this madness in the first place, to have fun!
> > >>
> > >> -Peter Krause
> > >> www.krauseandengland.com

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