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At the risk of seeing old, which I am, in the grand scheme of things, what d=
ifference does 15-20-30 minutes mean. I remember air mail taking a couple o=
f days --- and that was FAST! Enough about slow transmission. If speed was=
important none of us would be playing with "old slow "cars. Arch
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <jpark@bmts.com> wrote:
> Enough with the list times etc. Reply to the sender only PLEASE!
> =20
> From: zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
> Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time
> =20
> Fletcher,
> =20
> Interesting that you got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it until 8=
:04 this morning! But before I went to bed last night, I received Charlie's=
9:42 PM note (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at 10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:42=
PM note (at 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), and Kurt's 11:28 PM note at 1=
2:08 AM. =20
> =20
> And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? ' Showed up here at 10:08 this mornin=
g.
> =20
> Go figure!
> =20
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:
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> And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
> This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the other ni=
ght which were 30-45 minutes.
> It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tortuous, w=
ith stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be either -=
or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel the same ro=
ute. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in this, as it must=
interface with a "real" internet doofus.
> I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later than (c=
laimed) sent time - Rock Auto is one.=20
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> Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?
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> FRM
>=20
> On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
> I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming in hours be=
fore some earlier ones. ' Could tolerate the delay much more easily if it w=
ere consistent. I'm talking delays of much more than 30-45 minutes. I'll w=
rite a reply about this time in the evening and it might not show up for 20-=
24 hours. In the meantime, other replies are coming in hours earlier, to qu=
estions posed later. Tonight I received two or three replies before I recei=
ved the questions involved. Somebody sent in a picture. I have a reply fr=
om somebody else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture p=
ost yet...
> =20
> ' Don't think we're there yet...
> =20
> Allen
> ****************************************************************
> Allen & Florrie Bachelder =3Diii=3D<
> Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs
> '57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT
> North Street, MI 48049, USA
> http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs
> ****************************************************************
> =20
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
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> Steven Trovato wrote:
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> OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list. I sent them th=
ree minutes apart. I received one from the list about 10-15 minutes later. =
The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. Can anyone explain to me why t=
his is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm sending this one at 7:10pm E=
astern Time. Now we'll see if everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make a l=
iar out of me. :-)
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> No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long delays in mail ge=
tting sent out from
> the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly software rel=
ated. The program
> that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as quickl=
y as it should. And
> with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major fact=
or in the Team.Net
> mailing list software.
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> I'm looking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may specifically reques=
t assistance with a new
> machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long in th=
e tooth. Donate
> early, donate often ;-)
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> I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. At le=
ast the mail does
> eventually go through. Using something like http://www.team.net/forums wo=
uld not have
> this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
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> mjb.
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which I am, in the grand scheme of things, what difference does 15-20-30 mi=
nutes mean. I remember air mail taking a couple of days --- and that w=
as FAST! Enough about slow transmission. If speed was important n=
one of us would be playing with "old slow "cars. Arch<br><br>Sent from=
my iPad</div><div><br>On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:29 PM, "John Park" <<a href=3D=
"mailto:jpark@bmts.com";>jpark@bmts.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></di=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Enough with the list times etc. Reply to t=
he sender only PLEASE!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;=
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mal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&quo=
t;sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href=3D"mailto:zmagnette=
-bounces@autox.team.net">zmagnette-bounces@autox.team.net</a> [mailto:zmagne=
tte-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Allen Bachelder<br><b>Sent:<=
/b> Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> List for the Z Magnett=
e Group - North America<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Zmagnette] List response tim=
e<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Fletcher,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Interesting that yo=
u got my 8:22 PM note at 8:26. I didn't get it until 8:04 this morning=
! But before I went to bed last night, I received Charlie's 9:42 PM no=
te (at 10:03 PM), his 10:04 PM note (at 10:06 PM), Perkin's 12:42 PM note (a=
t 10:08 PM - over nine hours later), and Kurt's 11:28 PM note at 12:08 AM. &=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">And your 8:52 PM reply to my note? &n=
bsp;' Showed up here at 10:08 this morning.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Go fi=
gure!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Allen<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:=
black">****************************************************************</spa=
n></i></b></span><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
3.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">=
<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif";color:black">Allen & Florrie Bachelder &=
nbsp; =3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs</span></i></b><span=
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
;,"sans-serif";color:black">'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/GT</spa=
n></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",&=
quot;sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica","sans-serif";color:black">North Street, MI 48049, USA</s=
pan></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica"=
,"sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"=
><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",&quo=
t;sans-serif";color:black"><a href=3D"http://www.mgexperience.net/membe=
r/bachldrs">http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></=
span><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helv=
etica","sans-serif";color:black">****************************=
************************************</span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 30, 2013, a=
t 8:52 PM, Fletcher Millmore wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-botto=
m:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">And just=
think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!<br>This 8:22 got here abo=
ut 8:26, much better than your messages the other night which were 30-45 min=
utes.<br>It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tort=
uous, with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be e=
ither - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel the s=
ame route. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in this, as i=
t must interface with a "real" internet doofus.<br>I do get email from certa=
in sources that always arrives much later than (claimed) sent time - R=
ock Auto is one. <br><br>Can you get send/receive info from the Digest versi=
on?<br><br>FRM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 10/30/2013 8:22 P=
M, Allen Bachelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-to=
p:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'm seeing erratic respo=
nse times: some later responses coming in hours before some earlier ones. &n=
bsp;' Could tolerate the delay much more easily if it were consistent.  =
;I'm talking delays of much more than 30-45 minutes. I'll write a repl=
y about this time in the evening and it might not show up for 20-24 hours. &=
nbsp;In the meantime, other replies are coming in hours earlier, to question=
s posed later. Tonight I received two or three replies before I receiv=
ed the questions involved. Somebody sent in a picture. I have a=
reply from somebody else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the p=
icture post yet... <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o=
:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">' Don't think we're there yet...<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Allen<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:=
9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">************=
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pan class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica","sans-serif""> </span></span><span class=3D"a=
pple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica=
","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Allen & Florrie Bachel=
der =3Diii=3D<<br>Spring Creek Home for Wayward MGs<=
/span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica","sans-serif"">'57 ZB, '65 B, '69 C/GT, '73 B/=
GT</span></i></b><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,"sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,"sans-serif"">North Street, MI 48049, USA</span></i></b><span=
style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif=
""><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></di=
v></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><b><i><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><a href=3D=
"http://www.mgexperience.net/member/bachldrs";>http://www.mgexperience.net/me=
mber/bachldrs</a></span></i></b></span><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-ser=
if""> </span></span><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:13.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><d=
iv><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span class=3D"apple-style-span"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">********=
********************************************************</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p><=
/p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Brad=
akis wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><br><o:p></o:p></=
p><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">Steven Trovato wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D=
"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">OK, so I respo=
nded to two different messages on this list. I sent them three minutes=
apart. I received one from the list about 10-15 minutes later. =
The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes. Can anyone explain to me w=
hy this is? What is causing such a long delay? I'm sending this o=
ne at 7:10pm Eastern Time. Now we'll see if everyone gets this at 7:11=
pm just to make a liar out of me. :-)<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>No, you are not i=
magining things, there can be some long delays in mail getting sent out from=
<br>the server. At the moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly s=
oftware related. The program<br>that translates between IP addresses a=
nd names is not responding as quickly as it should. And<br>with all th=
e lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major factor in the <a h=
ref=3D"http://Team.Net/";>Team.Net</a><br>mailing list software.<br><br>I'm l=
ooking into it. Come the spring fund drive I may specifically request a=
ssistance with a new<br>machine to run the nameserver, the current one is ge=
tting a bit long in the tooth. Donate<br>early, donate often ;-)<br><b=
r>I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. At le=
ast the mail does<br>eventually go through. Using something like <a hr=
ef=3D"http://www.team.net/forums";>http://www.team.net/forums</a> would not h=
ave<br>this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.<br><br>mjb.<br><br><br>_=
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