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Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] List response time <zmagnette@autox.team.net> <zmagnette.autox.team.net>
From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu@cust.usachoice.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:52:32 -0400
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And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!
This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the other 
night which were 30-45 minutes.
It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be tortuous, 
with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so it could be 
either - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not necessarily travel 
the same route. I expect a fly by night local ISP could be a factor in 
this, as it must interface with a "real" internet doofus.
I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later than 
(claimed) sent  time - Rock Auto is one.

Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?

FRM

On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
> I'm seeing erratic response times: some later responses coming in 
> hours before some earlier ones.  ' Could tolerate the delay much more 
> easily if it were consistent.  I'm talking delays of much more than 
> 30-45 minutes.  I'll write a reply about this time in the evening and 
> it might not show up for 20-24 hours.  In the meantime, other replies 
> are coming in hours earlier, to questions posed later.  Tonight I 
> received two or three replies before I received the questions 
> involved.   Somebody sent in a picture.  I have a reply from somebody 
> else who reports seeing it, but I haven't received the picture post 
> yet...
>
> ' Don't think we're there yet...
>
> Allen
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>
> On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>
>> Steven Trovato wrote:
>>> OK, so I responded to two different messages on this list.  I sent 
>>> them three minutes apart.  I received one from the list about 10-15 
>>> minutes later.  The other didn't show up for 30-45 minutes.  Can 
>>> anyone explain to me why this is?  What is causing such a long 
>>> delay?  I'm sending this one at 7:10pm Eastern Time.  Now we'll see 
>>> if everyone gets this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of me.   :-)
>>
>> No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long delays in 
>> mail getting sent out from
>> the server.  At the  moment the bottleneck seems to be mostly 
>> software related.  The program
>> that translates between IP addresses and names is not responding as 
>> quickly as it should.  And
>> with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups are a major 
>> factor in the Team.Net <http://Team.Net>
>> mailing list software.
>>
>> I'm looking into it.  Come the spring fund drive I may specifically 
>> request assistance with a new
>> machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting a bit long 
>> in the tooth.  Donate
>> early, donate often ;-)
>>
>> I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we shall see. 
>> At least the mail does
>> eventually go through.  Using something like 
>> http://www.team.net/forums would not have
>> this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.
>>
>> mjb.
>>
>>
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    And just think - those are the people saying Lucas is bad!<br>
    This 8:22 got here about 8:26, much better than your messages the
    other night which were 30-45 minutes.<br>
    It is my understanding that the routing on the internet can be
    tortuous, with stuff getting delayed at any point along the way, so
    it could be either - or neither - end. Sequential messages do not
    necessarily travel the same route. I expect a fly by night local ISP
    could be a factor in this, as it must interface with a "real"
    internet doofus.<br>
    I do get email from certain sources that always arrives much later
    than (claimed) sent&nbsp; time - Rock Auto is one. <br>
    <br>
    Can you get send/receive info from the Digest version?<br>
    <br>
    FRM<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/2013 8:22 PM, Allen Bachelder
      wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:D8A9D08D-DD5E-4B2B-9A90-68B7E8DD6111@comcast.net"
      type="cite">I'm seeing erratic response times: some later
      responses coming in hours before some earlier ones. &nbsp;' Could
      tolerate the delay much more easily if it were consistent. &nbsp;I'm
      talking delays of much more than 30-45 minutes. &nbsp;I'll write a
      reply about this time in the evening and it might not show up for
      20-24 hours. &nbsp;In the meantime, other replies are coming in hours
      earlier, to questions posed later. &nbsp;Tonight I received two or
      three replies before I received the questions involved. &nbsp; Somebody
      sent in a picture. &nbsp;I have a reply from somebody else who reports
      seeing it, but I haven't received the picture post yet...
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>' Don't think we're there yet...</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Allen<br>
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          <div>On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:04 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:</div>
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            <div>Steven Trovato wrote:<br>
              <blockquote type="cite">OK, so I responded to two
                different messages on this list. &nbsp;I sent them three
                minutes apart. &nbsp;I received one from the list about 10-15
                minutes later. &nbsp;The other didn't show up for 30-45
                minutes. &nbsp;Can anyone explain to me why this is? &nbsp;What 
is
                causing such a long delay? &nbsp;I'm sending this one at
                7:10pm Eastern Time. &nbsp;Now we'll see if everyone gets
                this at 7:11pm just to make a liar out of me. 
&nbsp;&nbsp;:-)<br>
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              <br>
              No, you are not imagining things, there can be some long
              delays in mail getting sent out from<br>
              the server. &nbsp;At the &nbsp;moment the bottleneck seems to be
              mostly software related. &nbsp;The program<br>
              that translates between IP addresses and names is not
              responding as quickly as it should. &nbsp;And<br>
              with all the lists and all the addresses hostname lookups
              are a major factor in the <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://Team.Net";>Team.Net</a><br>
              mailing list software.<br>
              <br>
              I'm looking into it. &nbsp;Come the spring fund drive I may
              specifically request assistance with a new<br>
              machine to run the nameserver, the current one is getting
              a bit long in the tooth. &nbsp;Donate<br>
              early, donate often ;-)<br>
              <br>
              I may be able to improve things a bit later this week, we
              shall see. At least the mail does<br>
              eventually go through. &nbsp;Using something like <a
                moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="http://www.team.net/forums";>http://www.team.net/forums</a>
              would not have<br>
              this issue, but a lot of folks prefer email.<br>
              <br>
              mjb.<br>
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