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My crank was nitrided at a local steel treating shop here in Rochester NY t=
hen back to machine shop for (re)polishing, (re)tolerancing, balancing=C2=
=A026A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
585-305-0349 Cell=C2=A0
BSchirano@yahoo.com
From: Duncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com>
To: Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com>=20
Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
=20
Dennis sent my Ford 1500 crank to a guy in Colorado for nitriding.=C2=A0 He=
said it would be about $800, including final straightening and grinding to=
spec (Monday I=E2=80=99ll pick it up and find out what the final cost is).
Duncan
> On Dec 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
> Sounds like a deal considering what we pay Dennis these days which does n=
ot include the nitriding process.=20
>=20
> Can you specify bearing clearances and radius treatment?
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:46 AM, rkramer3@austin.rr.com wrote:
>>=20
>> Does anyone have experience with APT nitrided cranks? They list a fully =
race prepped and nitrided 6 cylinder crank at just under a grand.
>> Bob Kramer
>> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
>>=20
>> ---- Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
>>> 2 Cents from a modest built GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock rods, crank, G=
ood GP3 cam, etc).=C2=A0 Russ's comments are dead on - building the car is =
one expense, racing it is a recurring one and his estimate of $1000 per eve=
nt is good. So build in margin of safety in the motor (and other components=
) where you can.
>>> aluminum flywheel and clutch & PP I went to Ted Shumaker, TSI - TS Impo=
rts
>>> RE the rods - at the time of my first (only) rebuild a couple years ago=
I couldn't afford carrillos or Pauters, but did spend some long green on n=
itriding and polishing the crank, balancing everything, and of course the A=
RP hardware everywhere that counts . My car is NOT a high rev machine, I se=
lf limit at 6200 - 6300 RPM and it seems all the straights are uphill so sh=
e never redlines there anywise!
>>> So to me, it can be done, but has to be consistent with the rest of you=
r build. my next build will be a higher CR and hotter cam, so will be upgra=
ding rods, and pistons as well. But the first build was built conservative =
for longevity.
>>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
>>> 585-305-0349 Cell=20
>>> BSchirano@yahoo.com
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com>
>>> To: 'Jamie' <tr6driver@yahoo.com>; 'McKearn McKearn' <mckearn2@gmail.co=
m>=20
>>> Cc: 'FOT list' <fot@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
>>>=20
>>> A properly built and modified race engine represents a mighty investmen=
t not
>>> only of dollars but of time. Is that really where you want to pinch pen=
nies?
>>> After all, with the exception of pistons and crank that is one of the
>>> primary components and all it takes is one piece inside an engine to re=
duce
>>> all your work and investment to nothing more than scrap metal. One seiz=
ed
>>> valve, or substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn't take much=
.
>>> Realize all the ancillary invested expenditures that are also at risk l=
ike a
>>> weekend's entry fee you lose in an engine failure; the cost of time off=
from
>>> work to go to a race weekend; the cost of food and lodging for the race
>>> outing and the cost of just getting there. When asked, I usually advise
>>> folks to figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum when you roll all in.
>>>=20
>>> A number of racers have run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill and th=
ese
>>> do present a less expensive alternative. I had the opportunity to rebui=
ld an
>>> engine last year with Pauter rods and they were quite substantial and w=
ere
>>> well designed, constructed and balanced. Personally I have seen far too=
many
>>> Chinese knock-offs; reproductions (call them what you will), that fail =
to
>>> come close to the parts they try to mimic.=20
>>> I suggest you perhaps delay your build until your war chest allows for =
top
>>> quality internals. Do it once and do it right the first time and reduce=
the
>>> potential for disappointing expensive disaster.
>>>=20
>>> Russ Moore
>>> Spitfire #49
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM
>>> To: McKearn McKearn
>>> Cc: FOT list
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
>>>=20
>>> Although I was initially very wary, they have worked well for over 1,00=
0
>>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.
>>>=20
>>> Jamie Palmer
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Gents.
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I am looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting r=
ods for GT6.
>>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping these are good. Also am still
>>> searching for an aluminum flywheel without having something custom made=
. and
>>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . Lets call it a=
race
>>> car for the sake of argument....
>>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thanks.=C2=A0 P.J.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> fot@autox.team.net
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.fot-racing.com
>>>>=20
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>>>=20
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>>=20
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_59901"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144986063459=
4_59965">My crank was nitrided at a local steel treating shop here in Roche=
ster NY then back to machine shop for (re)polishing, (re)tolerancing, balan=
cing</span></div><div></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_59902">&n=
bsp;</div><div class=3D"signature" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_59967">=
<div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_59966">26A GT6+, 28 TR6</div>Brian Sc=
hirano<br>585-305-0349 Cell <br>BSchirano@yahoo.com</div><br> <div st=
yle=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 16p=
x;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60031"> <div style=3D"font-family: Hel=
veticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 16px;" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60030"> <div dir=3D"ltr" i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60029"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial" id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60028"> <hr size=3D"1" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
49860634594_60027"> <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> D=
uncan Charlton <duncan.charlton54@gmail.com><br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> =
<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Fot <fot@autox.=
team.net><br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri=
day, December 11, 2015 9:06 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Su=
bject:</span></b> Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<br> </font> </div> <div cla=
ss=3D"y_msg_container" id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1449860634594_60032"><br>Dennis s=
ent my Ford 1500 crank to a guy in Colorado for nitriding. He said it=
would be about $800, including final straightening and grinding to spec (M=
onday I=E2=80=99ll pick it up and find out what the final cost is).<br clea=
r=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">Duncan<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><=
br clear=3D"none">> On Dec 11, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Greg Blake <<a shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com"; href=3D"mailto:gblake58=
tr3@icloud.com">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">>=
; <br clear=3D"none">> Sounds like a deal considering what we pay Dennis=
these days which does not include the nitriding process. <br clear=3D"none=
">> <br clear=3D"none">> Can you specify bearing clearances and radiu=
s treatment?<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">> Sent from my iP=
hone<br clear=3D"none">> <br clear=3D"none">>> On Dec 9, 2015, at =
9:46 AM, <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com"; href=
=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com";>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</a> wrote:<br cle=
ar=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> Does anyone have experienc=
e with APT nitrided cranks? They list a fully race prepped and nitrided 6 c=
ylinder crank at just under a grand.<br clear=3D"none">>> Bob Kramer<=
br clear=3D"none">>> <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:rkramer3@aus=
tin.rr.com" href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com";>rkramer3@austin.rr.com</=
a><br clear=3D"none">>> <br clear=3D"none">>> ---- Brian Schira=
no <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:bschirano@yahoo.com"; href=3D"mai=
lto:bschirano@yahoo.com">bschirano@yahoo.com</a>> wrote: <br clear=3D"no=
ne">>>> 2 Cents from a modest built GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock r=
ods, crank, Good GP3 cam, etc). Russ's comments are dead on - buildin=
g the car is one expense, racing it is a recurring one and his estimate of =
$1000 per event is good. So build in margin of safety in the motor (and oth=
er components) where you can.<br clear=3D"none">>>> aluminum flywh=
eel and clutch & PP I went to Ted Shumaker, TSI - TS Imports<br clear=
=3D"none">>>> RE the rods - at the time of my first (only) rebuild=
a couple years ago I couldn't afford carrillos or Pauters, but did spend s=
ome long green on nitriding and polishing the crank, balancing everything, =
and of course the ARP hardware everywhere that counts . My car is NOT a hig=
h rev machine, I self limit at 6200 - 6300 RPM and it seems all the straigh=
ts are uphill so she never redlines there anywise!<br clear=3D"none">>&g=
t;> So to me, it can be done, but has to be consistent with the rest of =
your build. my next build will be a higher CR and hotter cam, so will be up=
grading rods, and pistons as well. But the first build was built conservati=
ve for longevity.<br clear=3D"none">>>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Bria=
n Schirano<br clear=3D"none">>>> 585-305-0349 Cell <br clear=3D"no=
ne">>>> <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com"; h=
ref=3D"mailto:BSchirano@yahoo.com";>BSchirano@yahoo.com</a><br clear=3D"none=
">>>> From: Spitfire Racing <<a shape=3D"rect" ym=
ailto=3D"mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com"; href=3D"mailto:spitfire_racin=
g@twcny.rr.com">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">>=
>> To: 'Jamie' <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:tr6driver@yaho=
o.com" href=3D"mailto:tr6driver@yahoo.com";>tr6driver@yahoo.com</a>>; 'Mc=
Kearn McKearn' <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; =
href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com";>mckearn2@gmail.com</a>> <br clear=3D"=
none">>>> Cc: 'FOT list' <<a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:f=
ot@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>fot@autox.team.net</a=
>><br clear=3D"none">>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:02=
AM<br clear=3D"none">>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<b=
r clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> A properly bu=
ilt and modified race engine represents a mighty investment not<br clear=3D=
"none">>>> only of dollars but of time. Is that really where you w=
ant to pinch pennies?<br clear=3D"none">>>> After all, with the ex=
ception of pistons and crank that is one of the<br clear=3D"none">>>&=
gt; primary components and all it takes is one piece inside an engine to re=
duce<br clear=3D"none">>>> all your work and investment to nothing=
more than scrap metal. One seized<br clear=3D"none">>>> valve, or=
substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn't take much.<br clear=3D=
"none">>>> Realize all the ancillary invested expenditures that ar=
e also at risk like a<br clear=3D"none">>>> weekend's entry fee yo=
u lose in an engine failure; the cost of time off from<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;>> work to go to a race weekend; the cost of food and lodging for t=
he race<br clear=3D"none">>>> outing and the cost of just getting =
there. When asked, I usually advise<br clear=3D"none">>>> folks to=
figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum when you roll all in.<br clear=3D"=
none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> A number of racers have =
run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill and these<br clear=3D"none">>&g=
t;> do present a less expensive alternative. I had the opportunity to re=
build an<br clear=3D"none">>>> engine last year with Pauter rods a=
nd they were quite substantial and were<br clear=3D"none">>>> well=
designed, constructed and balanced. Personally I have seen far too many<br=
clear=3D"none">>>> Chinese knock-offs; reproductions (call them w=
hat you will), that fail to<br clear=3D"none">>>> come close to th=
e parts they try to mimic. <br clear=3D"none">>>> I suggest you pe=
rhaps delay your build until your war chest allows for top<br clear=3D"none=
">>>> quality internals. Do it once and do it right the first time=
and reduce the<br clear=3D"none">>>> potential for disappointing =
expensive disaster.<br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>&=
gt;> Russ Moore<br clear=3D"none">>>> Spitfire #49<br clear=3D"=
none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> -----Original Message---=
--<br clear=3D"none">>>> From: Fot [mailto:<a shape=3D"rect" ymail=
to=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.t=
eam.net">fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] On Behalf Of Jamie<br clear=3D"non=
e">>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM<br clear=3D"none=
">>>> To: McKearn McKearn<br clear=3D"none">>>> Cc: FOT l=
ist<br clear=3D"none">>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods<b=
r clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Although I wa=
s initially very wary, they have worked well for over 1,000<br clear=3D"non=
e">>>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.<br clear=3D"none">&g=
t;>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Jamie Palmer<br clear=3D"none">&=
gt;>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>>=
> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <<a shape=3D"rect" yma=
ilto=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com"; href=3D"mailto:mckearn2@gmail.com";>mckea=
rn2@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none">>>>> <br clear=
=3D"none">>>>> Hi Gents.<br clear=3D"none">>>>>&nbs=
p; I am looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting rods for =
GT6.<br clear=3D"none">>>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping t=
hese are good. Also am still<br clear=3D"none">>>> searching for a=
n aluminum flywheel without having something custom made. and<br clear=3D"n=
one">>>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . =
Lets call it a race<br clear=3D"none">>>> car for the sake of argu=
ment....<br clear=3D"none">>>>> &nbs=
p; &n=
bsp; Thanks. P.J.<br clear=3D"none">>>>> ________________=
_______________________________<br clear=3D"none">>>>> <a shape=
=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.te=
am.net">fot@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">>>>> <br clear=
=3D"none">>>>> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.=
com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.fot-racing.com</a><br clear=3D"none">>=
;>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>>> Donate: <a shape=3D"rect"=
href=3D"http://www.team.net/donate.html"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.team=
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team.net/forums</a><br clear=3D"none">>>>> Unsubscribe/Manage:<=
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.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tr6driver@yahoo.com</a><br clear=3D"none">>=
;>> _______________________________________________<br clear=3D"none"=
>>>> <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; href=
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;>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://=
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ar=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> Donate: <a shape=
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gt;>> <br clear=3D"none">>>> _______________________________=
________________<br clear=3D"none">>>> <a shape=3D"rect" ymailto=
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.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">>>> <br clear=3D"none">>>>=
; <a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.fot-racing.com/"; target=3D"_blank">h=
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