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Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods

To: "<rkramer3@austin.rr.com>" <rkramer3@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
From: Joe Alexander <joealexandervintage@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 19:23:16 -0600
Cc: Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
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APT in Riverside, CA?

I have been to their industrial suite and did a little tour. Dave and his wife 
are nice people. They also grind cams. Forte was Spridget engines with David 
Vizard.

But he has now expanded to include other models.

Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, IA 50648
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 5:12 PM, <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> 
> <rkramer3@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Greg,
> 
> I haven't heard from anyone that uses them. I did look through their web page 
> and I suspect that it would be an upcharge.
> 
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
> 
> ---- Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com> wrote: 
>> Sounds like a deal considering what we pay Dennis these days which does not 
>> include the nitriding process. 
>> 
>> Can you specify bearing clearances and radius treatment?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 9, 2015, at 9:46 AM, rkramer3@austin.rr.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have experience with APT nitrided cranks? They list a fully 
>>> race prepped and nitrided 6 cylinder crank at just under a grand.
>>> Bob Kramer
>>> rkramer3@austin.rr.com
>>> 
>>> ---- Brian Schirano <bschirano@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>>> 2 Cents from a modest built GT6 racer (IE 10:1 CR, stock rods, crank, Good 
>>>> GP3 cam, etc).  Russ's comments are dead on - building the car is one 
>>>> expense, racing it is a recurring one and his estimate of $1000 per event 
>>>> is good. So build in margin of safety in the motor (and other components) 
>>>> where you can.
>>>> aluminum flywheel and clutch & PP I went to Ted Shumaker, TSI - TS Imports
>>>> RE the rods - at the time of my first (only) rebuild a couple years ago I 
>>>> couldn't afford carrillos or Pauters, but did spend some long green on 
>>>> nitriding and polishing the crank, balancing everything, and of course the 
>>>> ARP hardware everywhere that counts . My car is NOT a high rev machine, I 
>>>> self limit at 6200 - 6300 RPM and it seems all the straights are uphill so 
>>>> she never redlines there anywise!
>>>> So to me, it can be done, but has to be consistent with the rest of your 
>>>> build. my next build will be a higher CR and hotter cam, so will be 
>>>> upgrading rods, and pistons as well. But the first build was built 
>>>> conservative for longevity.
>>>> Brian 26A GT6+, 28 TR6Brian Schirano
>>>> 585-305-0349 Cell 
>>>> BSchirano@yahoo.com
>>>>     From: Spitfire Racing <spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com>
>>>> To: 'Jamie' <tr6driver@yahoo.com>; 'McKearn McKearn' <mckearn2@gmail.com> 
>>>> Cc: 'FOT list' <fot@autox.team.net>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 8:02 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
>>>> 
>>>> A properly built and modified race engine represents a mighty investment 
>>>> not
>>>> only of dollars but of time. Is that really where you want to pinch 
>>>> pennies?
>>>> After all, with the exception of pistons and crank that is one of the
>>>> primary components and all it takes is one piece inside an engine to reduce
>>>> all your work and investment to nothing more than scrap metal. One seized
>>>> valve, or substandard bolt even can be a disaster. It doesn't take much.
>>>> Realize all the ancillary invested expenditures that are also at risk like 
>>>> a
>>>> weekend's entry fee you lose in an engine failure; the cost of time off 
>>>> from
>>>> work to go to a race weekend; the cost of food and lodging for the race
>>>> outing and the cost of just getting there. When asked, I usually advise
>>>> folks to figure a race weekend is ~$1000 minimum when you roll all in.
>>>> 
>>>> A number of racers have run Pauter rods as stated before by Bill and these
>>>> do present a less expensive alternative. I had the opportunity to rebuild 
>>>> an
>>>> engine last year with Pauter rods and they were quite substantial and were
>>>> well designed, constructed and balanced. Personally I have seen far too 
>>>> many
>>>> Chinese knock-offs; reproductions (call them what you will), that fail to
>>>> come close to the parts they try to mimic. 
>>>> I suggest you perhaps delay your build until your war chest allows for top
>>>> quality internals. Do it once and do it right the first time and reduce the
>>>> potential for disappointing expensive disaster.
>>>> 
>>>> Russ Moore
>>>> Spitfire #49
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jamie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 6:22 AM
>>>> To: McKearn McKearn
>>>> Cc: FOT list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Connecting rods
>>>> 
>>>> Although I was initially very wary, they have worked well for over 1,000
>>>> race miles in our (horror) MGB engine.
>>>> 
>>>> Jamie Palmer
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:52 PM, McKearn McKearn <mckearn2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Gents.
>>>>>    I am looking for feedback on the MaxSpeeding connecting rods for GT6.
>>>> Can't afford Carrillos and I'm hoping these are good. Also am still
>>>> searching for an aluminum flywheel without having something custom made. 
>>>> and
>>>> would like input on what type of clutch to use as well . Lets call it a 
>>>> race
>>>> car for the sake of argument....
>>>>>                                Thanks.  P.J.
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