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I've had a gear reduction starter on my Healey for 3 yrs. No issues. Turns
the motor over much faster. I love it.
Elton
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:29 AM Roger Grace <roggrace@telus.net> wrote:
> Gear reduction starters - embedded in this thread.
> Could someone please enlighten me as to the benefits/reasons of using a
> gear reduction starter that so many AH owners rave about ?
> Surely a starter is digital - it either turns the engine over or it
> doesn't ?
> Our standard starters are series dc motors that have increased torque
> (more amps) whenever the motor starts to stall.
> So lots of amps required and this is why battery terminal condition and
> good grounds are so important.
> So is the reduction starter a smaller, faster shunt motor with mechanical
> gearing to increase the torque ?
> Probably lighter too ?
> Just wondering ....
> rg
>
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> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 8:44 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I have a Hayden 7-bladed (asymmetrical) fan on the shelf. The blades are
>> rectangular and more highly curved, and could really move air.
>> Unfortunately, it was loud as hell at idle and would blow dust out from
>> under the car; but it was the one thing that did the most to reduce temp=
at
>> idle.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On 6/5/2021 7:04 AM, ou via Healeys wrote:
>>
>> BTW This is a Hayden brand and is 15.25 inch in diameter.
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ou via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> To: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> <healeys@autox.team.net>; healeyguy@aol.com <healeyguy@aol.com>
>> <healeyguy@aol.com>
>> Cc: healeys@autox.team.net <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2021 6:20 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
>>
>> Listers!
>> Here is another alternative to the overheating prob. Pulls a TON of air
>> through the rad and pushes a TON of hot air out of the engine compartmen=
t
>> at the same time. The tips have been ground slightly for clearance of
>> the harmonic balancer nut. Includes the spacer necessary for pump
>> clearance and the mounting bolts. Ready to put on! $35 plus shipping f=
rom
>> 23602.
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Salter via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> To: Perry Small <healeyguy@aol.com> <healeyguy@aol.com>
>> Cc: Austin Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net> <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2021 9:29 am
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
>>
>> Although it probably won't make much difference to "heatsoak" situations
>> one thing that was mentioned during our local club Zoom meeting was the
>> idea of adding a 3rd blade to a standard 6 cyl fan, something I'd never
>> heard of.
>> This sounds like a very good idea and at least a couple of our members
>> have done this with outstanding results.
>> Slightly longer screws are recommended for securing the 3 blades to the
>> waterpump pulley.
>>
>> http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=3D2&pub=3D557=
5378759&campid=3D5338273189&customid=3D&icep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=3Dpsma=
in&icep_vectorid=3D229529&kwid=3D902099&mtid=3D824&kw=3Dlg&toolid=3D11111
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 9:11 a.m. Perry Small, <healeyguy@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the connection between vapor lock (a fuel delivery problem) and =
a
>> gear reduction starter (consistent rotation of the crank) ?
>>
>> Also the key to cooling an engine via a radiator ( heat exchanger) is ai=
r
>> flow. It seems correct that moving the water too quickly through the
>> exchanger will limit the loss of heat from the coolant but air flow is v=
ery
>> important. The stock AH fans do not move many CFMs. Thus the reason the
>> cars seem to do well, temp wise, at speed but very poorly idling along i=
n a
>> holiday parade!
>> P
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, rfbegani@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> =EF=BB=BF
>> Besides all the equipment added to the engine radiator water system to
>> keep my Healey from over heating, the addition of a gear reduction start=
er
>> solved all the vapor lock issues starting my 67 BJ8. It starts the car e=
ven
>> when the engine is hot after a long run. Greatest thing since sliced bre=
ad,
>> if you want your wife to travel with you as generally, they do not like
>> helping you push the car away from the gas pumps and standing around
>> waiting for the car to start. But, if you have a wife who likes to push
>> your Healey, she is a keeper.
>>
>> Bob Begani
>>
>> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Michael
>> Salter via Healeys
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 4, 2021 7:35 AM
>> *To:* Richard Collins <gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com>
>> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit
>>
>> Some time Richard try dribbling some cool water over the float chambers
>> when the vapor occurs.
>> I'll be interested to hear how well that works to get you on your way
>> again.
>>
>> M
>>
>> On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021, 12:02 a.m. Richard Collins via Healeys, <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> My vapor lock issue occurs for example at long stop lights in hot weathe=
r
>> as expected to some extant, not while driving; but the other day when I
>> stopped to refuel, the heatsink after turning off the engine caused the
>> gauge to hit 200 which vapor locks me every time. So I push back, lift t=
he
>> lid and air the engine for 10-15 minutes and then it fires up. That usua=
lly
>> attracts an audience which helps pass the time. :-)
>> A pulley change on my car wouldn=E2=80=99t make a difference IMO.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Richard C
>> BN7 440
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I've had a gear reduction starter on my Healey for 3 y=
rs. No issues. Turns the motor over much faster. I love it.<div>Elton</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 12:29 AM Roger Grace <<a href=3D"mailto:roggrace@=
telus.net">roggrace@telus.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"=
gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20=
4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Gear reduction starters =
- embedded in this thread.<br></div><div>Could someone please enlighten me =
as to the benefits/reasons of using a gear reduction starter that so many A=
H owners rave about ?</div><div>Surely a starter is digital - it either tur=
ns the engine over or it doesn't ?</div><div>Our standard starters are =
series dc motors that have increased torque (more amps) whenever the motor =
starts to stall.</div><div>So lots of amps required and this is why battery=
terminal condition and good grounds are so important.<br></div><div>So is =
the reduction starter a smaller, faster shunt motor with mechanical gearing=
to increase the torque ?</div><div>Probably lighter too ?</div><div>Just w=
ondering ....</div><div>rg<br></div><div><br></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m=
_7932341650866683528DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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<div>
I have a Hayden 7-bladed (asymmetrical) fan on the shelf. The blades
are rectangular and more highly curved, and could really move air.
Unfortunately, it was loud as hell at idle and would blow dust out
from under the car; but it was the one thing that did the most to
reduce temp at idle.<br>
<br>
Bob<br>
<br>
<div>On 6/5/2021 7:04 AM, ou via Healeys
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
=20
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial">BTW =C2=A0This is a Hayden
brand and is 15.25 inch in diameter.
<div>Keith<br>
<br>
<br>
<div style=3D"font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:10pt;color:bl=
ack"><font size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: ou via Healeys <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a>;
<a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey=
guy@aol.com</a> <a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; target=3D"_blank"><=
healeyguy@aol.com></a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blan=
k">healeys@autox.team.net</a> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br>
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2021 6:20 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit<br>
<br>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7932341650866683528gmail-m_166380323051341=
5277yiv5465943274">
<div>
<div style=3D"color:black;font:10pt arial">Listers!
<div>Here is another alternative to the overheating
prob.=C2=A0 Pulls a TON of air through the rad and
pushes a TON of hot air out of the engine
compartment at the same time. =C2=A0<span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10pt">The tips have been
ground slightly for clearance of the harmonic
balancer nut.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0Includes the spacer
necessary for pump clearance and the mounting
bolts.=C2=A0 Ready to put on! =C2=A0$35 plus shippi=
ng from
23602.</span></div>
<div>Keith<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div style=3D"font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:1=
0pt;color:black"><font size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"no=
ne">
From: Michael Salter via Healeys
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
To: Perry Small <a href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.c=
om" target=3D"_blank"><healeyguy@aol.com></a><br clear=3D"none">
Cc: Austin Healey list
<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=
=3D"_blank"><healeys@autox.team.net></a><br clear=3D"none">
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2021 9:29 am<br clear=3D"none">
Subject: Re: [Healeys] air ducting kit<br clear=
=3D"none">
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<div id=3D"gmail-m_7932341650866683528gmail-m_16638=
03230513415277yiv5465943274yqt54859">
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7932341650866683528gmail-m_166=
3803230513415277yiv5465943274">
<div>
<div>Although it probably won't make much
difference to "heatsoak" situatio=
ns one
thing that was mentioned during our
local club Zoom meeting was the idea of
adding a 3rd blade to a standard 6 cyl
fan, something I'd never heard of.=C2=
=A0
<div>This sounds like a very good idea
and at least a couple of our members
have done this with outstanding
results.</div>
<div>Slightly longer screws are
recommended for securing the 3 blades
to the waterpump pulley.</div>
<div><a shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://rover=
.ebay.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=3D2&pub=3D5575378759&=
;campid=3D5338273189&customid=3D&icep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=
=3Dpsmain&icep_vectorid=3D229529&kwid=3D902099&mtid=3D824&k=
w=3Dlg&toolid=3D11111" rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_blank">http://rove=
r.ebay.com/rover/1/706-53473-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=3D2&pub=3D5575378759&am=
p;campid=3D5338273189&customid=3D&icep_item=3D303033053279&ipn=
=3Dpsmain&icep_vectorid=3D229529&kwid=3D902099&mtid=3D824&k=
w=3Dlg&toolid=3D11111</a><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div><br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
<br clear=3D"none">
<div>
<div id=3D"gmail-m_7932341650866683528gmail=
-m_1663803230513415277yiv5465943274yqtfd98756">
<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri., Jun. 4, 2021,
9:11 a.m. Perry Small, <<a shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:healeyguy@aol.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_blank">healeyguy=
@aol.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>What is the connection between
vapor lock (a fuel delivery
problem) and a gear reduction
starter (consistent rotation of
the crank) ?=C2=A0
<div><br clear=3D"none">
<div>Also the key to cooling an
engine via a radiator ( heat
exchanger) is air flow. It
seems correct that moving the
water too quickly through the
exchanger will limit the loss
of heat from the coolant but
air flow is very important.
The stock AH fans do not move
many CFMs. Thus the reason the
cars seem to do well, temp
wise, at speed but very poorly
idling along in a holiday
parade!=C2=A0</div>
<div>P<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my
iPhone</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br clear=3D"non=
e">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">On
Jun 4, 2021, at 8:07 AM, <a s=
hape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_blank"=
>rfbegani@gmail.com</a>
wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
<br clear=3D"none">
</blockquote>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF
<div>
<div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:18pt;font-family:sans-serif">Besides all the
equipment added to
the engine radiator
water system to keep
my Healey from over
heating, the
addition of a gear
reduction starter
solved all the vapor
lock issues starting
my 67 BJ8. It starts
the car even when
the engine is hot
after a long run.
Greatest thing since
sliced bread, if you
want your wife to
travel with you as
generally, they do
not like helping you
push the car away
from the gas pumps
and standing around
waiting for the car
to start.=C2=A0 But, if
you have a wife who
likes to push your
Healey, she is a
keeper.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:18pt;font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:18pt;font-family:sans-serif">Bob Begani</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:18pt;font-family:sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></div>
<div style=3D"border-color:=
rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;bor=
der-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<div><b>From:</b>
Healeys <<a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_=
blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mic=
hael
Salter via Healeys<br c=
lear=3D"none">
<b>Sent:</b> Friday,
June 4, 2021 7:35 AM<br=
clear=3D"none">
<b>To:</b> Richard
Collins <<a shape=3D=
"rect" href=3D"mailto:gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_=
blank">gonnagitcha90@hotmail.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Cc:</b> <a shape=3D"=
rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D"_=
blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br clear=3D"none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Healeys] air
ducting kit</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div>Some
time Richard try
dribbling some cool
water over the float
chambers when the
vapor occurs.=C2=A0</di=
v>
<div>
<div>I'll
be interested to
hear how well that
works to get you
on your way again.</d=
iv>
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>M</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>On
Fri., Jun. 4,
2021, 12:02 a.m.
Richard Collins
via Healeys, <<a s=
hape=3D"rect" href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer
noopener" target=3D=
"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"bord=
er-color:currentcolor currentcolor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-sty=
le:none none none solid;border-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0in 0=
in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>My
vapor lock issue
occurs for
example at long
stop lights in
hot weather as
expected to some
extant, not
while driving;
but the other
day when I
stopped to
refuel, the
heatsink after
turning off the
engine caused
the gauge to hit
200 which vapor
locks me every
time. So I push
back, lift the
lid and air the
engine for 10-15
minutes and then
it fires up.
That usually
attracts an
audience which
helps pass the
time. =C2=A0 :-)<br=
clear=3D"none">
A pulley change
on my car
wouldn=E2=80=99t ma=
ke a
difference IMO.
</div>
<div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>
<div>Regards,
</div>
<div>
<div>Richard
C</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>BN7
440</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
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