Interesting idea on Grass Roots part I think....
the Problem is when you get to the higher levels of this sport it costs a
ton of money and lots of folks are intimidated by the shear cost of Just the
things you mentioned.... I remember when I first started looking at building
a car someday... and what the cost of the Safety gear was..... Scary when
your Rubbing your two nickles together....
This is what the 150 Club With USFRA has done is allow folks to race at a
place that most only dream of....... hell maybe they will come back one day
with a Pinto motor .... in a Lakester and HAUL BUTT....
On the East Coast we have a similiar set up.... Just don't go faster then
125mph and life is grand..... Still gotta have the basic's and the car has
to be safe but the cost isn't prohibitive...
At the Circle track I think they call it Hobby Stock..... or ahhh Bracket
Racing (BIG YUCK) When Brad and I used to go hang out at the different
Local tracks my on going comments where " they are out here racing and we
are just talking about it"
Kinda like Doug and Darrel's problems getting to Bville this year.... They
may not have made it... But they weren't talking about it they were building
a Race Car....
Keith
----- Original Message -----
From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; <Land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: bad ideas and claimers
> Now this is an interesting way to kill yourself..How much does the
> safety equiptment cost? A helmet drivers suit fire system and suitable
> cage and tires?
> Dahlgren
> Keith Turk wrote:
> >
> > Yet again I am fascinated with the varied opinions on a single topic...
Okay
> > so this Class isn't for everybody.... (not even for me) but I am
willing to
> > keep an open Mind and allow others to express their opinion....
>
> Read here!
>
> > Grass Root Motorsports the Magizine is doing a series of exactly
that....
> > Semi Claimer or Minimum Buck's deal.... I think there is a $1500
Limit....
> > and they run in three venues... staight line road course and a car
show.....
> > the point they are making is that the automotive Hobby doesn't have to
be
> > expensive... and I agree.... it depends on the venue you chose and in
our
> > cases the class you choose to run in.....
> >
> > Pick the fastest Piston driven Vehicle deal..... it's not going to be
> > Cheap.... but then you look at what Say Rich Fox brought to Bonneville
> > this year or what Chuck Runs at Maxton.... those are PURE hot Rodding
> > efforts.... or maybe what Dick is going to show up with.... that ain't
about
> > Money... it's about running a car.... and using your mind to come up
with
> > better solutions then last time....
> >
> > Guess my Point is that our goal as Racers is to Preserve and protect the
> > Salt and to continue to have fello competitors who are willing to put in
the
> > effort to be there.... if it takes another class well then so be it.....
> >
> > Keith Turk.... D / Gas / Altered..... hmmm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> > To: <Land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 5:10 AM
> > Subject: bad ideas and claimers
> >
> > > a turbo costs 700 to 900 for a cheap one an a real good one is 2000
and
> > > a junkyard one is 50 bucks are you serious why not just run the turbo
..
> > > What a bunch of whiners....Do you guys all hate change that much? Are
> > > you all afraid of the future? Is this the so called pioneering spirit?
> > > You seem to have more rules ideas that Nascar Nhra and SCCA all put
> > > together.. Who will be the first to suggest restrictor plates? Maybe
we
> > > could make anyone that we have to run against have to use one and
adjust
> > > the size to keep them below the record no matter what they do...
> > >
> > > is this LAND SPEED RACING or NHRA...
> > > All I hear is about bringing in new people in to carry the sport on in
> > > the future!
> > > Did you think for one minute they were CLONES of what had been going
on
> > > or do not think or have ideas to go faster.. Every one that has all
> > > these great ideas to stifle the future ought to be raising money to
turn
> > > LSR into a museum instead of a place to set records...
> > >
> > > If you want new people they will come with 1990's ideas they will not
be
> > > the curator/custodian to your museum.. what about screw blowers how
many
> > > classes for that or intercoolers how many for that. What a sad state
of
> > > affairs this is turning into..
> > >
> > > Hey I have a great idea lets make all the cars 'claimers' like some of
> > > the dirt track guys do.. if anyone sets a record you can buy the car
for
> > > a fixed price lets say 3000.... That would keep the speeds down.. I
> > > think at times the thing to do is run for time only is going to be the
> > > only way to have any fun with something that is a new and exciting
> > > idea..
> > >
> > > If this seems like a flame it is not .. It is a message of sad
> > > desperation from someone that LAND SPEED RACING was what it said and a
> > > heads up place where new ideas could be tested and refined, no holds
> > > barred just pass the safety and displacement and body style stuff..
The
> > > rest is open to creative thinking...Maybe I was wrong...
> > >
> > > Well I have to get to work.. tuning up a 13b Mazda street engine on
the
> > > dyno today in NYC.. looking for 600hp with 22 lbs of boost.. with EFI
> > > and a TURBO.. if he drove out and wanted to race the car what class
you
> > > going to put him in AA/GCC ?? What size restrictor plate so he won't
go
> > > faster that one of the beloved V-8 in your cars??????
> > >
> > > Dave
> > > Dahlgren a weary racer who is having his conception of LSR is
> > > trashed...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Higginbotham Land Speed Racing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I must agree with Ed. Don't change a thing.
> > > >
> > > > Besides, the really big discrepancy is between positive displacement
> > > > blowers and turbos. The horsepower needed to drive the positive
displ.
> > deal
> > > > is put right into the trans input shaft. Wheee!
> > > > Now trying to control the fuel mixture on an induction system with
> > linear
> > > > fuel flow and an exponential boost curve is at least tricky but can
be
> > > > accomplished without electronics...........just not easily. Ken
Walkey
> > did
> > > > it with a centrifugal supercharger and the fuel flow followed the
boost
> > > > curve "exactly" according to Ken. The engine certainly ran like the
> > mixture
> > > > was awfully close. Now maybe he could have gotten a bit more out of
it
> > with
> > > > electronics but there has to be something for the tuner to do (maybe
to
> > > > his/her detriment though). The deal Ken used could easily be used to
> > "fine
> > > > tune" the positive displ setups too.
> > >
> > > read this and think real hard!
> > > > So I think that if anything is to be adjusted as a result of
> > technological
> > > > development it should be in the "boost" category. It could be that
turbo
> > > > boosted engines advance two displacement classes. Sort of like it
used
> > to
> > > > be in the nostalgic days (whenever that was).
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the opportunity to join in the forum.
> > > >
> > > > Skip Higginbotham in Texas, 9:10 PMCST
> > > >
> > > > At 08:36 PM 12/8/99 , you wrote:
> > > > >I have been following this thread with great interest. My own
opinion
> > is don't
> > > > >change a thing. Besides, what do you do with somebody like me that
> > scrapped
> > > > >the OEM electonic injection and replaced it with a Holly 4-barrel?
> > I've got
> > > > >it!! We devise a new class called RETRO for those people that took
a
> > giant
> > > > leap
> > > > >backward in technology!!
> > > > >Ed
> > > > >
> > > > >ECTA845@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> It look's like I'll have to side with Doug and John on this
one.As
> > I
> > > > >> slowly work on my Monza for racing I can't not look at the
> > electronics that
> > > > >> are out there.You can bet if I have the cash to use them to my
> > advantage I
> > > > >> will.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thank's Randy Williams
> > > > >> ECTA # 845
> > >
>
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