Dan
That makes sense to me. Were still on the same page. Your insights are
really a big help to the rest of us, and we appreciate your clarification.
Gives us a better sense of the history involved.
John Beckett, LSR #79
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: /MS rules
> John & list,
>
> A catch all phrase which includes all vehicles ever made is hard to draft.
> Some cars have the firewall forward of where the fenders come off, some
have
> the firewall set back and on some you can't remove the fenders at all. Why
> don't we just say where the fenders come off and leave the body shell,
which
> must remain of stock dimensions, is where you can modify going forward.
The
> problem with an Opel and like cars is the body is unit construction and
the
> fenders must remain in place. On the Alfa the fabricated firewall is at
the
> leading edge of the body shell. The length of the cowl to the leading edge
> of the doors is approx. 3 - 4". So if we were to modify from the doors
> forward the stock body would have been compromised and made illegal. The
> basic line is the body must remain stock. Going back in history I would
> think that the wording "...including the cowl..." came from Modified
> Roadster. A MR is derived from a Fuel/Gas Roadster which is allowed to
> change the contour of the cowl, i.e. '28 - '31 Ford, remove the cowl gas
> tank, which continues into the next body class, MR.
>
> The increased interest in CC & MS in recent years has brought to the front
> this problem of a rulebook which is built on a set of rules drafted for
Ford
> roadsters for the main part and has it's origins dating back to post WWII.
I
> don't want to rewrite wholesale changes into the rulebook which may
obsolete
> a current vehicle. I believe that working with the entrants to iron out
> opinions on interpetation is a better method. I have requested from MS
class
> entrants for suggestions to make the rules more polished, along the lines
of
> F/G roadsters, but have received very little response. Complaints after
the
> race has started, threats of protest and pending law suits are more the
> norm.
>
> As you can see a liberal rulebook for an electic mix of vehicles is what
we
> must deal with. I believe that the committee chairpersons can point a
> entrant in the correct direction. One thing we don't want to do is quench
> innovation. We certaintly don't want to build someone's car for them but,
> there are areas where the tech people can help.
>
> I hope this little novel helps some.
>
> Dan W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> To: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: /MS rules
>
>
> > Dan
> >
> > OK, now that were on this topic. Some clarification for /MS & /CC. The
'00
> > rule book says "Streamling ahead of an including the cowl..." doesn't
> > mention firewalls at all? Since we are allowed to "streamline" the cowl
> area
> > would'nt that mean original from the doors back?
> >
> > John Beckett, LSR #79
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Warner" <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > To: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 10:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: /MS rules
> >
> >
> > > The body must remain stock from the FIREWALL back. Doors back is too
> far,
> > > can't mod the cowl area. Each vehicle is different though, the doors
> might
> > > be at the firewall on the 924. I don't pretend to know every car ever
> > made,
> > > that's why I need documentation in impound.
> > >
> > > Dan W
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > > To: George Mitchell <americanpartner@yahoo.com>; Dan Warner
> > > <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:12 AM
> > > Subject: /MS rules
> > >
> > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > I believe its like /CC. You can modify the front end in /MS as long
as
> > the
> > > > body is original from the doors back. Might as well stretch it to
130"
> > > > WB...to improve handling, and chop the top...to improve frontal
area,
> > > while
> > > > your at it.
> > > >
> > > > John Beckett, LSR #79
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "George Mitchell" <americanpartner@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>; "Dan Warner"
> > <dwarner@electrorent.com>;
> > > > "Richard Kensicki" <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 9:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey list,
> > > > > It sounds like I picked the right class. Lots of
> > > > > competition. Still waiting on the rule book but...
> > > > > The Porsche body that I am building is a '78. It has
> > > > > what can only be described as sort of a "dirty" nose
> > > > > there is a plastic bumper out there and a lower
> > > > > valance that would surely put air underneath the car
> > > > > at speed.
> > > > > I could update the front with parts that I have for
> > > > > the later Euro Turbo car ('85) which has a hidden
> > > > > bumper and more of a scoopped or staight appearance
> > > > > (think Nascar front end).
> > > > > With the liberal aero rules in M/S would this
> > > > > "updating" be legal? This would be easier for me and
> > > > > the modification would be quick and have somewhat
> > > > > proven aero.
> > > > > George in DC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net> wrote:
> > > > > > Yep Dan..... John Rains didn't ruin D/B/Galt.... he
> > > > > > simply moved the record
> > > > > > out of my pocket book.... I don't have to have his
> > > > > > car to go that fast... I
> > > > > > got to have his MOTOR.... and sans that.... Might as
> > > > > > well build a MS... and
> > > > > > Have at it... I am not building a Berkley... I am
> > > > > > going to build a
> > > > > > Bugeye... little bigger but not enough that a little
> > > > > > HP won't make up for
> > > > > > it....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Look at Doug Odom.... his Bugeye just got in the Two
> > > > > > Club....K
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > > From: Dan Warner <dwarner@electrorent.com>
> > > > > > > To: Richard Kensicki <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > > > > > Cc: land-speed@autox.team.net
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > > > > > Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 7:15 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The answer to your question re: the Benham & Carr
> > > > > > Berkley on the 2000
> > > > > > > rulebook cover is easy. The M/S class is
> > > > > > currently/probably the class
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > open for innovation. A small base vehicle which
> > > > > > was sold as a sports car,
> > > > > > > 130" wb, any frame, and liberal aero make for some
> > > > > > strange bed fellows.
> > > > > > > Engine size aside, as long as an entrant can
> > > > > > provide documentation as to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > availability of the base car and the stock
> > > > > > dimensions so that impound can
> > > > > > > verify the legality of the car, that would make
> > > > > > Leonard Carr's car (no
> > > > > > pun
> > > > > > > intended) one of the best choices for class. As in
> > > > > > the past the uproar
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > this vehicle has destroyed the class "everyone has
> > > > > > to have one" is in the
> > > > > > > wind. When Ron Benham first brought out his Monza
> > > > > > then the Crosley that
> > > > > > Earl
> > > > > > > Wooden currently runs the cry was the same. As you
> > > > > > can see other racers
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > found ways to compete and set records in various
> > > > > > classes against these
> > > > > > cars
> > > > > > > without using the body dujour.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are your questions regarding the legality of
> > > > > > the Berkley? Maybe I
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > help.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dan W
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Richard Kensicki <richk@sparta-junction.com>
> > > > > > > To: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 4:26 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Thanks for Opel GT Input
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for all the replies about a possible Opel
> > > > > > GT for the mile. Are
> > > > > > > > there any pictures of Bill Ward's Opel on line?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I keep rereading the rule book section for
> > > > > > modified sports and then
> > > > > > look
> > > > > > > > at the rule book cover (2000 edition) and say
> > > > > > (not out loud) how does
> > > > > > > > that car run as B modified sports? I must be too
> > > > > > legalistic.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rich
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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