George,
Thanks for joining us at Speedweek. I hope your first visit was enjoyable
and not your last. Could you elaborate on the M class bike you mentioned?
Thanks for your time,
Dan Warner,
Impound Official - SCTA-BNI
----- Original Message -----
From: Crim <gwcrim@usa.com>
To: Jonathan Amo <webmaster@landracing.com>; \"\\\"LandSpeed\\\" Louise Ann
Noeth\" <lanspeed@west.net>
Cc: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>; Ed Van Scoy
<edvs@uswest.net>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: Attracting new comers/ Classes
> As a newcomer to Land Speed Racing (and this mailing list) I feel
> Jonathan's comments about attracting newcomers and limiting classes
> might be diametrically opposed.
>
> I've raced at Maxton twice this year and Bonneville once. Each time
> in Pushrod motorcycle classes. I've studied the classes closely and
> am impressed that they seem to be well thought out. Group gas, fuel,
> and blown together and you've raised the cost of being competitive by
> a huge amount. Talk about a way to keep new blood out!
>
> As for jumping classes, I guess it makes sense. If your choice of
> "fuel" is gasoline and you are strong enough to take the record, have
> at it. It can allow a person to get a real feeling of accomplishment
> to come home with multiple records.
>
> One other thing I noticed. The ECTA will allow you to move up a class
> w/out being illegal for the lower category. The SCTA claims not to.
> At Bonneville I did see one bike that was M class legal run in the A
> class and set a record. The official I questioned was going to let it
> stand. Quite frankly, I was disappointed. It makes me wonder how
> often this happens. Pick your rules and STICK TO THEM.
>
> Nice to meet y'all.
>
> George Crim
> Sportster List Race Team
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jonathan Amo <webmaster@landracing.com>
> To: "\"\\\"LandSpeed\\\" Louise Ann Noeth\"" <lanspeed@west.net>
> Sent: August 27, 2000 7:31:28 PM GMT
> Subject: Attracting new comers/ Classes
>
>
> Louise and list,
>
> Thy new blood we seek, we want to seek safe. But the newcomers
> attitiude
> can be shallowed without lightening the rules is the 130 mph club. You
> need little to become a member, and they will have the taste of Salt
> Flats
> Racing. This alone will have the effect of, would I like to go faster.
> 9
> times out of 10, sure I would. Well you have these guidelines to go
> by. I
> think the 130 mph and 150 mph are excellent ideas and only wish they
> would
> promote more with them. Campaign them along with the World of Speed
> event.
> Looking at the cover of event programs, and calanders there is nothing
> there to promote it. Should one read into the program you will see it
> there, along with the Bar Stool Racing.
> What we need is a person like yourself Louise, to write an article on
> it
> and see if we can get it published somewhere outside of land speed
> racing's circle. To gather some attention. I would be glad to put it
> on
> the site.
> As many would say we need to do something for the fear of our sport
> may be
> hanging on only be a few threads. All we need to do is get it out,
> most
> think you need alot of money, to get something to run there. Our team
> Team
> Amo proves you dont need alot of money to get there, just a damn good
> goal, and alot of interest.
> As I have explained our sport to many around the world, the one thing
> that
> does defer them away, is they think about a Land Speed Record, and the
> amount of classes there already are, they say there are to many.. I
> would
> have to agree with them on that, and the amount of classes does seem
> to be
> getting out of hand.
> It would further say that I respect every part of the sport, but....
> there
> are to many classes. Lets say Land Speed Racing started today and I
> was
> the president (yeah right), I would make engine and body classes, but
> no
> seperate classes for Fuel and Gas, blown or unblown. Hey you do
> whatever
> it takes to get the record for your engine and body class. Everything
> class would be a fuel class. You would use whatever you need to get
> the
> speed, dont call it unfair, you have the same rights to use whatever
> power, fuel, injected means known to man for yourself too.
> But then again, because the ease of creating new classes, and the
> break
> down of fuel, gas, blown, unblown, is this what keeps the newcomers
> coming.
>
> Jonathan Amo
> www.landracing.com
>
> \"LandSpeed\" Louise Ann Noeth wrote:
>
> > John/list,
> >
> > I think we polled ourselves, you would find plenty of folks who have
> > been approached with the ubiquitous, "I just want to see what it
> will
> > do" comment. I believe this attitude is the product of a society
> that
> > offers too many choices, where "a taste, or a sample" often
> > constitutes little more than a notch in their life's experience
> > roster. For those adventures that require time, effort, dedication
> and
> > thoughtful planning, the game remains the same -- safety first.
> >
> > I would hope and support all actions by any sanctioning body to keep
> > safety paramount in its operation and not succumb to the temptation
> of
> > easing the rules just to gather some "new blood" which, as we all
> > understand, can easily become "spilled" in an instant.
> >
> > I have witnessed the horrified reaction of some of the folks who
> would
> > like to find a way to skirt the rules when a car, or worse, a bike
> has
> > tumbled on the lakes or the salt. Just as it has for decades, the
> > misfortune of others serves to teach an indelible and far-reaching
> > lesson insofar as safety is concerned when "trying to see how fast
> it
> > will go." I believe we call it, "reality" -- the possible and the
> > probable.
> >
> > Speedy Regards,
> >
> > "LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth
> >
> > LandSpeed Productions
> > Telling stories with words and pictures
> > ------------------------o0o--------------------------
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Beckett" <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
> > To: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 8:17 AM
> > Subject: 150mph club & attracting new members
> >
> > > List
> > >
> > > This is an interesting situation and needs more discussion. We
> (LSR)
> > are
> > > trying to get more (new and/or younger) people involved in the
> sport
> > (with
> > > quality equipment) and as I understand it the 130/150 Club was
> > implemented
> > > to attract them.
> > >
> > > It's absolutely amazing how many people call me at the ECTA and
> want
> > to know
> > > about running their "1999 SpeedSport Whatever" at 200 MPH without
> > roll
> > > cage/bars, fire system, fire suit, etc. "I just want to try it out
> > and see
> > > what it will do". Obviously they have the money to go fast, or
> they
> > wouldn't
> > > have the "SpeedSport Whatever", but I guess it's just a lark for
> > them
> > > without any serious commitment. But if they could run how many
> would
> > be
> > > hooked?? To big a risk to find out? I don't know what the answer
> > is??? Can't
> > > shy away from safety rules.
> > >
> > > The bike guys seem to be the most active new members back east. Of
> > course
> > > all they need is the bike, riding leathers and helmet. Much
> cheaper
> > > investment than a car so more come out to give it a try. The
> average
> > guy can
> > > walk into most any Motorcycle Dealership and walk out with 200 MPH
> > scooter
> > > today.
> > >
> > > ECTA is trying a new 'Street Class' this year. Simply put it has
> to
> > be
> > > street legal, tags, insurance, mufflers etc., with proper safety
> > equipment
> > > for the speed levels run. Seems to have drawn interest from those
> > who don't
> > > fit or don't understand the /PRO, /GC or /ALT rules. Time will
> tell.
> > >
> > > John Beckett, ECTA
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Van Scoy" <edvs@uswest.net>
> > > To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: WOS 150mph club
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jon,
> > > > I try to push this program with my road racing cronys, but they
> > think 150
> > > > mph is too slow! Little do they know the problems involved in
> > going fast
> > > on
> > > > salt. In 1993, the first year I took my street car up there, the
> > best I
> > > > could get out of it was 141 mph, yet, it had run 180 mph in the
> > Silver
> > > State
> > > > race 2 days before! (yes it was down hill) In 1994 (yeah, I know
> > the
> > > program
> > > > says 1995, but who cares) I brought the Vette I am now racing to
> > run the
> > > 150
> > > > Club. It was street-legal & licensed , and was originally built
> to
> > run the
> > > > Unlimited Class in the Silver State races. I ran 159 first pass
> &
> > had so
> > > > much fun I promptly forgot about using it for road racing & went
> > back to a
> > > > stock (?) ZR-1 for Silver State. I still try to promote it
> > because I
> > > think
> > > > it is a great entry door to this sport. USFRA is a bit gun-shy
> > about this
> > > > program (and I don't blame them) as one idiot can screw up and
> > spoil the
> > > > whole deal for all of us. Yes, you CAN crash at 150 MPH with
> > disasterous
> > > > results, contrary to the thinking of those who have never driven
> > on salt.
> > > > If I was USFRA, I would keep the program, as I see it as a great
> > promotion
> > > > tool, but I would change the rules to make it mandatory to make
> > the 130
> > > Club
> > > > before turning a driver loose on the salt at up to 159.999 mph,
> > per
> > > current
> > > > rules. Just my .02 worth..............................
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > List,
> > > > >
> > > > > For those of you who run during WOS. How come we only have 10
> > members in
> > > > > the 150 mph club. Seems that most of us can be in the club,
> why
> > not be
> > > > > in there. I know alot of people run faster than that, but its
> > still in a
> > > > > honor to be in the club.
> > > > > If bike runs well during WOS and we make it there, I would be
> > more than
> > > > > happy to join the club members of Ed Van Scoy and Ron
> > Christenson in
> > > > > this club, and run the bike.
> > > > > Any comments on this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan Amo
> > > > > www.landracing.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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