Has any thought been put into the handicap for rotary engines I have a
few guys i work with that run rotaries and were thinking about coming
out but did not want to bother for time only as there is little hope of
setting a record with one because of the handicap.. I understand this to
be currently displacement X 3..If I am wrong plaese correct me on this..
To point out the unfairness of it.. I have a customer with a 1300cc 13b
rotary.. It makes currently about 750 hp at 10000 rpm single turbo.. we
are going back to the dyno to see if we can find some more hopefully get
it to 850 hp.. If we use the handicap of X3 it is pointless as a turbo
piston engine that is 3.9 liters will make this power all day long even
at X2 it is almost not worth the effort. it seems like the piston engine
technology has progressed to the point that the handicap system
basically says don't bother with a rotary.. A naturally aspirated one
makes about 310 or so.. the same as Goodman's 1995cc Cosworth with
similar technology.. Would you think that X 1.3 or so to be a more
realistic handicap?? I thought that SCCA had this handicap factor but
will see if i pry this piece of info out of them.. I guess what i am
trying to say is they really make about as much power as a good 'G'
engine..but certainly not as much as a good 'E' of 'F' engine..
Dave Dahlgren
Dan Warner wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> As I stated in an earlier posting J D Tone has approached some of the
> Honda/Toyota kids he has in his area (Orange County - a real center of this
> type) and they are not interested in our deal. They indicated that it is too
> far to go, too dirty and not providing the showcase they want.
> The SCTA office has had no inquiries from this segment of the sport either.
>
> If you have some in your neighborhood that want to join us sent them along.
>
> Dan Warner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dahlgren <dahlgren@uconect.net>
> To: <ARDUNDOUG@aol.com>
> Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: New Category
>
> > I'm with you Doug lots easier to find a 1995 camero than a 1968 and
> > cheaper too for the 1995.. It sure seems to me if you want to get young
> > racers involved you have to have classes for what they want to race..
> > Most I have seen are hot roding all sorts of import and smaller cars..
> > The kids are all into computers and everything that goes with it. In my
> > opinion give them a place to race a turbo toyota or honda and let them
> > play with the computer stuff and enigne some and seems like there would
> > be more. Didn't this whole thing start with a bunch of young guys
> > wanting to see how fast the old cars they fixed up would go?? What makes
> > anyone think it would be any different now.. Might want to look at this
> > new blood thing through 22 year old eyes and not our own.. Most of these
> > kids could probably care less about a 1980 Camero than they do a 59
> > Edsel.. I'd bet they both look the same to them for the most part..
> > My opinion useless as it is..
> > Dave Dahlgren
> >
> > ARDUNDOUG@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 09/11/2000 4:07:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> > > dwarner@electrorent.com writes:
> > >
> > > << Doug,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your input. While your observation has valid points I see
> the
> > > opposite side. The current Modified Category has a year break of 51
> years,
> > > this increases annually. While someone may have picked a '53 Stude to
> begin
> > > their LSR career in 1970 it is now obvious that the vehicle is at a
> > > disadvantage. Why not open an area for this person to run his car? He
> may
> > > have a couple of sons that want to join us. As their interests and
> 'need for
> > > speed' develop over a period of time they(the sons) will surely build a
> > > car/bike to meet the demands of increased speed and challenges. I
> believe
> > > that by adding under 50 classes we may be increasing the involvement in
> our
> > > beloved sport by younger generations which we all admit we need to
> attract.
> > >
> > > Dan Warner
> > > >>
> > > Dan,
> > > I agree with regards the older "modern" cars as defined by the
> present
> > > rules. A class change will make many "older" race cars competitive that
> are
> > > at a disadvantage by todays rules, hopefully getting them back into
> > > competition, possibly in the hands of the next generation of LSR
> competitors.
> > > Beyond those cars that could be "recycled" into competitive form by
> > > additional classes I see little value in additional classes. If someone
> new
> > > is getting into LSR today and didn't have access to an "older" race car
> they
> > > would tend to start from scratch with one of the better aerodynamic
> designs.
> > > Maybe I'm wrong, but if you're starting from scratch, building a LSR
> car
> > > based on a production body/chassis, isn't the initial "carcass" cost of
> > > anything 1975 to the early 90's pretty constant? It seems that the
> > > "carcass"cost of a 1949-75 production car to use in LSR would be high
> due to
> > > the demand among restorers and street rodders for these cars.
> > > I haven't gone back and reviewed all of the previous postings on the
> > > subject, so I may have my cutoff dates wrong. I do believe, however,
> that I
> > > have a pretty good handle on what the rule change is trying to
> accomplish.
> > > Regards the electronics and equipment restrictions on the proposed
> > > classes, that's all pretty much over my head. I just run a homemade set
> if IR
> > > injectors, a 1950's Vertex mag, and no sensors or other data gathering
> > > equipment. My concession to "high-tech" is my weather station and a
> hand-held
> > > calculator to interpolate "pill" changes and density altitude.
> > > Please explain your thoughts regards the next generation of LSR
> > > competitors being inhibited by the present rules and encouraged by more
> > > classes. Other than recycling an LSR car handed down by their
> predecessors I
> > > can't figure how the proposed rule change would encourage them. Maybe
> I'm
> > > missing something.
> > > As you know, my son Brian is now taking an active part in my LSR
> program,
> > > setting records in my XXF/MR at Muroc and Bonneville this year. Keeping
> him
> > > motivated and involved is one of my goals............Ardun Doug King,
> #1313
> > > XXF/MR
> >
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