List; Some years ago when Bruce Johnson was trying to enlist interest in FIA
runs concurrent with speedweek he tried to get me to run my Vega in FIA
production class. Since I had a 468 inch Pontiac set back 25% tube frame and
such I felt my car might not be a legal "Production car" Bruce proved to me
it was indeed a legal FIA production car except I had removed the drip rails
which put me out of class. Nice liberal rules. Rich Fox
-----Original Message-----
From: John Beckett <landspeedracer@email.msn.com>
To: Malcolm Pittwood <MPittwood@compuserve.com>; Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>;
Dave Dahlgren <ddahlgren@snet.net>
Cc: List Land Speed <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Date: Saturday, January 13, 2001 07:10 AM
Subject: Re: World records
> Dave
>
> That actually makes more sense than I would like to admit. Our
>(American) speed records are all venue orientated. If they weren't there
>wouldn't be any other (or at least very few) records set except at
>Bonneville. Venue records are why the majority of competitors come out to
>race.
> Jeez Dave now I may have to change my whole opinion of the value of the
>FIA. Biggest problem I see is they have very few of the classes we have.
>Don't think you'll find a D/FALT as an example.
>
>John Beckett
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Dahlgren" <ddahlgren@snet.net>
>To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
>Cc: "Henry Deaton" <hdeaton@verio.com>; "List Land Speed"
><land-speed@autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 7:54 AM
>Subject: World records
>
>
>> Wouldn't you think that to get FIA recognition that you
>> would have to have a copy of SCTA rules and a copy of FIA
>> rules along with both groups with people that are authorized
>> to make decisions and just compare them.. I bet there are a
>> lot of FIA classes that don't fit anywhere in SCTA and the
>> same for SCTA classes that don't fit in FIA. May be could
>> agree on what classes are similar and agree to share records
>> in them. But and a big but in FIA I don't think the venue
>> has anything to do with the record. Someone else may know
>> better though. What I mean is someone can set a record in
>> England at sea level on concrete and exceed the Bonneville
>> record and have the 'Worlds Record' for that class. I really
>> don't think that anyone that races at Bonneville wants to
>> race heads up with anyone at any race track at any air
>> density. The only car that has a advantage at Bonneville
>> that i can see would be an electric or any other way of
>> generating power that has no handicapp due to air density.
>> The Bonneville would then be at an advantage as the aero
>> losses I would think should be less due to the 'thinner'
>> air.. The real reality of it all is that Bonneville records
>> are just that Bonneville records. They are not worlds
>> records because no one that races Bonneville that i have met
>> in the last 10 years would be willing to turn their record
>> over to someone else that did not set them at Bonneville.
>> Keith if you set a record in D/FAlt at 240 and someone in
>> the south of France with a car that meets specs exceeds your
>> speed are you willing to turn your record over to them? They
>> set theirs on 15 miles of concrete at sea level and you used
>> 5 miles of salt at 4800 feet.. I think if you really
>> consider the differences that Bonneville records may be
>> faster than the worlds record for a particular type car they
>> are not the worlds record in the sense that if the situation
>> is reversed and the worlds record is faster than the
>> Bonneville reocrd that it will not be recognized as the
>> Bonneville record. Hence they are not worlds records at
>> least not all of them..
>> It's all a a matter of give and take and recognizing that if
>> you set a record at Bonneville and it happens to be over the
>> worlds record then it is one. If I race the G\GL at
>> Bonneville and i set a record at 205 it is not a worlds
>> record if anyone anywhere with accurate timing has gone
>> faster.
>>
>> Dave Dahlgren
>> ( probably does not make sense to all but hopefully a few..)
>>
>>
>> Keith Turk wrote:
>> >
>> > Now Henry... I won't mess with no NON stinking electric thing and stick
>to
>> > my dead dinosaurs for Power...
>> >
>> > You don't mess with Alabama.... this state don't have room for more
then
>13
>> > folks that can read and write at one time.... (spelling is optional)
>> >
>> > And as your writing those rules... make sure they require at Least ONE
>> > Purple SFI 15 Firesuit.... designed for a person about 6' .... I will
>make
>> > one availble at a reasonable price... after all this abuse I may have
to
>> > order another one in something like RED OR BLACK or WHITE.... anything
>but
>> > Purple....
>> >
>> > Keith ( see PS to follow)
>> >
>> > Post Script....
>> >
>> > Henry I honestly think this is a good idea... you have about 6 months
to
>> > come up with a logical and intelligent argument about your style of
>> > racing....
>> >
>> > I think were we went wrong on the Rotary thing was the lack of
>documented
>> > paperwork that gave everyone Plenty of time to make these changes....
or
>the
>> > lobbying effort required to make the rule change amoung the committee
>> > members. I can hear Dave from here as he reads this... but the truth
>> > remains that this is a political organization and one has to have those
>> > ducks in a row as well to effect a change.
>> >
>> > As for the FIA thing.... bud that is on you... you have to come up with
>a
>> > reason you want their recognition.... Personally I don't care about
>them.
>> > They don't have a thing to do with my interest in this hobby.... If
they
>> > don't want to accept the govererning body and recognize the records...
>shame
>> > on them... who cares.... I will still get a red hat and the respect of
>my
>> > peers .... even if the red hat didn't happen.... ( I trust Glen's
>clocks...
>> > that is all that matters... as do my peers)
>> >
>> > Keith ( yeah Malcom I am ducking.....)
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Henry Deaton" <hdeaton@verio.com>
>> > To: "List Land Speed" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 6:51 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Electric Scooter Rules committe of one
>> >
>> > > Well, I'm pretty much willing to do whatever it takes to run my bike.
>Bend
>> > > the rules or bend to them, be on a committee, or join a club. I might
>even
>> > > be willing to move to Alabama and wear purple, but I sure hope it
>doesn't
>> > > come to that.
>> > >
>> > > Henry
>> > >
>> > > At 07:43 PM 1/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>> > > > Not a bad idea, Keith ! Henry seems to be the resident
expert
>on
>> > > >electric vehicles here on the list ( unless we have one who is a
>lurker,
>> > > >which means he / she would not contribute anything, anyhow. )
>> > > > I have followed Henry' s messages on electric racing machines
>with
>> > > >great interest . I don' t know of any reason he couldn' t be the
>> > technical
>> > > >consultant on these Silent Speedsters ...... he will probably be
>joining
>> > > >one of the SCTA member clubs so that he can run at El Mirage .
>> > > > I think the cool weather down there in Alabama gave you a
>temporary
>> > > >moment of clear thinking, Keith, and I have to admit you came up
with
>> > > >a good call on this one . I' m for it, and like John Beckett said
:
>> > > > " Go for it, Henry ! "
>> > > > Bruce
>> > > > ....... just don' t tell him he has to paint it purple !
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