Keith List,
But the one thing all records at Bonneville and FIA records have that make them
more valuable and recognizable is the average of two speeds over the same real
estate. Not just one run with a trap speeds. That has always been the glory of
land speed racing, that not only did you only do it once, but twice, over the
same real estate but that also shows durability with a motor thats an important
factor, some can say they once did it, but bonneville records and FIA records
show they did it twice within an allotted time period.
Jonathan Amo
www.landracing.com
Jonathan Amo
www.landracing.com
Keith Turk wrote:
> Okay Joe.... lets take that as an example then.... You say there is a
> difference between say... Maxton and Bonneville.... and I happen to
> agree.... at Bonneville you have 4 miles to get up to speed.... where is the
> challange compared to ONE mile and a 132' trap.... or at El Mirage on Dirt
> at 1.3 miles? or Muroc on Talcum Powder at 1.5 miles and a One way average
> as the record.... Personally I think the short courses are severaly
> disadvantaged over the Long Course at Bville.... shoot even the Short course
> is better.....
>
> Why not?
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>
> Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: International Records
>
> > Keith, lets at least compare One miles average speeds to One mile average
> > speeds, I definately dont try and compare what the magazines run at the
> end of a
> > straightaway with a radar gun to maintaining the speed for a minimum of a
> mile
> > speed trap, in that case we could just take NHRA trap speeds, I am not
> into
> > comparing a 60 ft speed trap to a 5280 ft speed trap
> >
> > Joe :)
> >
> > Keith Turk wrote:
> >
> > > A couple of us have been bantering about the Idea of what constitues an
> > > International record... ( World record )
> > >
> > > When you can open up your mind a bit .... it really helps you gain some
> > > perspective on what is going on the world of Land Speed Racing... Let
> me
> > > give you a couple of generally accepted statements... and we can banter
> this
> > > subject around again.... it's been fun for me as I really had to admit
> that
> > > Maybe I do care how a record is thought of LONG TERM....
> > >
> > > 1. The SCTA currently is the oldest established authority here in
> America
> > > for LSR... we view the rules and procedures as Ways of catagorizing cars
> and
> > > classes for the Most Part.
> > >
> > > 2. The FIA is recognized as the Authority for establishing an
> International
> > > Record in a Given Class by thier Rules... ( very liberal Rules... Very
> Few
> > > Classes )
> > >
> > > 3. We also have EVENT records for Places like El Mirage and Muroc... as
> > > well as Maxton.... and Don't forget the Dry Lakes racers in
> Austraila....who
> > > operate under SCTA rules.
> > >
> > > Lets all agree that for the Most Part the fastest Place to run so far
> has
> > > been Bonneville.... with the notable exception of the Jet cars at Black
> rock
> > > .... But for us.... most of the records have been established under
> SCTA
> > > rules at Bonneville..... There are exceptions to that and it is in these
> > > that I find a place for something New.... Lets look at Tim Schoeny and
> his
> > > Honda... at Maxton... were he Broke the Record and Ran over the
> Bonneville
> > > speed.... That record in my opinion is an international Record.... even
> > > thou it was set at Maxton. If he had done the same thing at El Mirage I
> > > would consider it a world record as well..... Think about John Rains
> times
> > > at El Mirage.... if he hadn't run the car at Bonneville he would have
> been
> > > Well over the Old Bville records.... those in my opinion would be
> > > international records....
> > >
> > > I think eventually we will be saying the same things about Lake
> Gairdner....
> > >
> > > My Point is that if you want the International Record then you need to
> run
> > > where your best afforded that opportunity and it needs to be sanctioned
> by
> > > an established Body.... Is that authority the SCTA? what do you guys
> think?
> > >
> > > Keith ( it's a Big Pot and needs Stiring...)
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